September 10, 2011

Race42012 Polling Averages and Line Chart – September 11, 2011

2012 Republican Presidential Nomination

Poll Average ABC / WaPo NBC / WSJ Politico / GWU Battleground FOX News Quinnipiac CNN PPP (D) Gallup
Date 8/16 – 9/1 8/29 – 9/1 8/27 – 8/31 8/28 – 8/31 8/29 – 8/31 8/16 – 8/27 8/24 – 8/25 8/18 – 8/21 8/17 – 8/21
Perry 30.25 29 38 36 26 24 27 33 29
Romney 18.75 23 23 17 18 18 14 20 17
Bachmann 9.13 6 8 10 4 10 9 16 10
Paul 8.50 8 9 10 7 9 6 6 13
Gingrich 4.75 4 5 5 3 3 6 8 4
Cain 4.13 3 5 4 4 5 2 6 4
Santorum 2.75 2 3 5 3 1 1 4 3
Johnson 1.50 1 2
Huntsman 1.38 1 2 1 1 1 1 3 1
McCotter 0.67 0.5 1 0.5

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114 Responses to “Race42012 Polling Averages and Line Chart – September 11, 2011”

  1. Perry/Bachmann for 2012! Says:

    Thanks, Josiah.. :)

    Your charts clearly tell the story as will tomorrow nights Tea Party debate — when America will again witness the stark contrast between the Obama/Romney’s liberal pro entitlement position versus Rick Perry’s bold solid conservative stance that big government entitlements be reformed once and for all before the market drastically does it for us.

  2. Drobin Says:

    The chart means little at this point. The polls are at least a week behind what’s going on and are changing as Perry’s vetting process continues. I have to admit Perry won’t get vetted FOX. In fact he isn’t vetted by anyone except the candidates themselves. That is really sad because it means that should Perry win the Primary, the Democrats won’t miss a beat to uncover every character flaw, corruption flaw, Leininger connection, Perry’s connection to his book and on and on. They’ll use it to energise their base.

    Perry needs to hold at least a town meeting a day in the republican environment before he’s hit on the national stage with a bomb. If he can weather the storm in a friendly environment it will better prepare him for winning the nomination.

    Meanwhile Mitt appears to have weather Perry’s evangelical introduction. Mitt has held as many as 3 town meetings in one day for over a month. He’s keeps attack Barrack Obama in every meeting. He’s already taken hard questions on Social Security, the border, jobs, balanced budget amendment, Romneycare, gay marriage, right to life, including most the “gotcha” questions on the block. He’s written a book explaining exactly what he’ll do on the economy when elected. A model that we as the American people can hold him to. He’s demonstrated how he turned around the Massachusetts budget in a hostile environment and work with the opposition party while vetoing over 800 liberal bills they presented.

    He’s going to South Carolina tomorrow to show the country his stance on labour. He’ll probably have a new video about Obama’s National Labor Relations Board and how they aren’t promoting jobs. He’ll probably show a solid policy statement about the power of labour unions. He’ll open it up to questions with the reporters, and people there knowing someone in the audience might throw him a curveball. Mitt Romney at this time and place appears to be the mechanic in the race, the one who can best fix the broken car.

    There is still many months for both Perry and Romney to make their case, but at this point the polls aren’t keeping up with what’s happening on the ground.

  3. Franklin Says:

    This is what happens when you mix and match polls. The polls that show Perry above 30 does not include Palin so at this point his numbers are inflated. This perhaps shows why Perry is probably holding another prayer service hoping Palin does not run. Part of her numbers come from him and a campaign against crony capitalism would put him squarely in the crosshairs.

  4. teledude Says:

    Governor Palin is the Perry destroyer.

    Her message is unique in this election cycle.

    It destroys Obama, Perry and Romney simultaneously.

    You need only read this:

    http://danieljmitchell.wordpress.com/2011/09/10/kudos-to-sarah-palin-for-exposing-the-sleazy-bipartisan-corruption-problem-in-washington/

  5. Watchinitall Says:

    America will reject the Genghis Khan/Rick Perry version of conservatism that has much more to do with pretending that contempt is a virtue than any genuine conservative principle. Raining down contempt on everything government is the strange approach this corrupt D- politicians has taken to win the hearts of the country in his quest for control over what he hates the most.

    His hate for government is quite surprising, given the personal wealth he has mysteriously accumulated while in positions of power and influence . . . a trust from the people he has not been slow to profit from.

    There is in the strange case of Rick Perry a catastrophic departure from conservatism unfolding before our eyes. He can use provocative rhetoric, as if that’s an accomplishment. Just don’t look too closely at how he fills his campaign coffers, or flips real estate for personal gain.

  6. casusit Says:

    Oh, snap!

    For conservatives, Rick Perry is the one
    http://orangepunch.ocregister.com/2011/09/07/for-conservatives-rick-perry-is-the-one/49179/

    […] Going into the GOP debate at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library the spotlight was hoisted on Rick Perry as the new kid on the block and the frontrunner in the campaign. As a debater in the presidential setting, Perry has far less experience than many of those in the race, especially former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney. Even if one were to concede that Perry did not carry himself as a slick debater, when examining his debate rhetoric closely, it becomes clear what Perry believes and why he might be the best choice to lead a new movement within the Republican Party, and more importantly, the nation.

    Perhaps the most thoughtful insight into the economic philosophy of the Lone Star State chief were his comments during the debate about chastising the use of government spending to stimulate the economy. President Obama, Perry argued, “has proven for once and for all that government spending will not create one job. Keynesian policy and Keynesian theory is now done. We’ll never have to have that experiment on America again.” Perry appears not to believe in government manipulation of the economic system to spur job creation and activity in the economy. While Perry does not say it outright, he defacto endorses a more Austrian approach or a pure free market approach to economics. […]

    The emphasis is mine, all mine.

  7. teledude Says:

    Governor Palin can’t be bought.

    That is why the phony “she’s only in it for the money’ meme is so obviously false.

    She could have become rich in office in Alaska’s corrupt system had she only wanted money, if she would have played the game as Perry did in Texas.

    She has recently turned down multiple millions to continue her political career…those are not the actions of a money hungry diva.

    If people would listen to what she says instead of mindlessly buying into the false narratives, they would get a much clearer idea of who she is and what her motivations are.

    From yesterdays New York Times:

    “Along with her familiar and predictable swipes at President Barack Obama and the “far left,” she delivered a devastating indictment of the entire U.S. political establishment — left, right and center — and pointed toward a way of transcending the presently unbridgeable political divide.

    …She made three interlocking points.

    First, that the United States is now governed by a “permanent political class,” drawn from both parties, that is increasingly cut off from the concerns of regular people.

    Second, that these Republicans and Democrats have allied with big business to mutual advantage to create what she called “corporate crony capitalism.”

    Third, that the real political divide in the United States may no longer be between friends and foes of Big Government, but between friends and foes of vast, remote, unaccountable institutions (both public and private).

    In supporting her first point, about the permanent political class, she attacked both parties’ tendency to talk of spending cuts while spending more and more; to stoke public anxiety about a credit downgrade, but take a vacation anyway; to arrive in Washington of modest means and then somehow ride the gravy train to fabulous wealth.

    She observed that 7 of the 10 wealthiest counties in the United States happen to be suburbs of the nation’s capital.

    …Ms. Palin’s third point was more striking still: in contrast to the sweeping paeans to capitalism and the free market delivered by the Republican presidential candidates whose ranks she has yet to join, she sought to make a distinction between good capitalists and bad ones.

    The good ones, in her telling, are those small businesses that take risks and sink and swim in the churning market; the bad ones are well-connected megacorporations that live off bailouts, dodge taxes and profit terrifically while creating no jobs.

    …“This is not the capitalism of free men and free markets, of innovation and hard work and ethics, of sacrifice and of risk,” she said of the crony variety.

    She added: “It’s the collusion of big government and big business and big finance to the detriment of all the rest — to the little guys. It’s a slap in the face to our small business owners — the true entrepreneurs, the job creators accounting for 70 percent of the jobs in America.”

  8. casusit Says:

    […] His hate for government is quite surprising, given the personal wealth he has mysteriously accumulated while in positions of power and influence . . . a trust from the people he has not been slow to profit from. […]

    Yes, but if we set aside your rage and bitterness Perry emerges as the best possible choice and I am pleased to acknowledge you acknowledging that even if I would prefer it if you sought counseling for your rage issues.

  9. casusit Says:

    […] Governor Palin can’t be bought. […]

    But she does ask that you cover her expenses. http://www.businessinsider.com/sarah-palin-speaking-fees

  10. casusit Says:

    oh … snap … this RomneyCare disaster just won’t go away.

    Individual Mandate? Romneycare Insured Only Another 5 Percent
    http://townhall.com/columnists/terryjeffrey/2011/09/07/individual_mandate_romneycare_insured_only_another_5_percent

    […] Romney first pointed out that if he is elected president, he would repeal Obamacare.

    Then he argued that forcing individuals to buy health insurance was justified under the Massachusetts constitution and was the right thing for Massachusetts.

    “Where do I find it in the constitution?” Romney said. “Are you familiar with the Massachusetts constitution? I am. And the Massachusetts constitution allows states, for instance, to say that our kids have to go to school. It has that power. The question is, is that a good idea or bad idea? And I understand different people come to different conclusions.

    “We said, look, we’re finding people that can afford insurance, health insurance, that are going to the hospital and getting the state to pay for them. Taxpayers are picking up hundreds of millions of dollars of costs from people who are free riders.

    “We said, you know what? We’re going to insist that those people who can afford to pay for themselves do so. We believe in personal responsibility.”

    But did Massachusetts truly have a serious problem in people deciding not to buy health insurance?

    The Henry Kaiser Family Foundation, based on Census Bureau date, estimates the average percentage of uninsured people in each state over two-year periods […]

  11. casusit Says:

    This Perry guy just can’t be stopped, guys. Even the dishonest mediscare ruse has failed to help Willard gain traction as he circles the great drain of history for those who fail to issue a correct analysis of the historical moment. It’s over. Let it go.

  12. teledude Says:

    Perry and Romney are both fatally flawed candidates.

    This is not going to be a Romney v Perry battle for the nomination.

    The field is incomplete at this point, thus rendering these polls irrelevant.

  13. casusit Says:

    […] This is not going to be a Romney v Perry battle for the nomination.
    […]

    Yes, because RomneyCare doesn’t stand a chance, anywhere, on any grounds, except if he mediscares his way to a scorched-earth pyrric non-victory that divides the base along generational lines or something, which appears to be his plan since he is a divider, not a uniter, and the mental under-performer has no other arrows in his quivering quiver. But this strategy would destroy the party before it ever delivered Romney the nomination.

    The race will be Perry and whomever.

  14. Massachusetts Conservative Says:

    Casusit

    Just WAIT until the Establishment is forced to decide who to go for. Perry’s in for a lot of trouble.

    Huckabee and Palin also both don’t like Perry.

  15. Try Not To Laugh At My 1.9 GPA perry Says:

    I thought genius was suppose to be a conservative.

    http://www.rightspeak.net/2011/09/is-rick-perry-qualified-for-position-in.html

  16. teledude Says:

    Perryogeyvech vs Romnoboma

    crony corruption v left wing statism

    These two guys are part of the problem.

    the voters will demand a better choice.

    someone with a clean ethical background along with free market ideas on reforming our entitlements and restoring our economy.

    Governor Palin is going to be like a breath of fresh air.

  17. Try Not To Laugh At My 1.9 GPA perry Says:

    Genius perry doesn’t care, he thinks he is always right no matter what.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WITcMBeuIbY&feature=related

  18. Massachusetts Conservative Says:

    16 Tele

    I cannot wait until Palin makes her decision. Either way, it should be quite interesting. There once was a time I thought Palin would help Romney by splitting up the far-right. Then, I thought she would help Perry by taking his flak in the press. Now, I think if she runs, she might expose Perry for what he truly is.

    Not sure what I want to happen.

    And I guess neither is Palin.

    I just cannot wait. The leadup to Huckabee’s announcement was very entertaining and epic. Palin’s will also be interesting.

    I also want this race to solidify. I want to know WHO is running, so there are no more questions. No more teasers or polls that include non-candidates.

    Game on.

  19. K.G. Says:

    Polls depend on who they ask. Mr. K.G. went dove hunting last week–deep in the heart of TX. The Texans in the group thought Perry was an “OK governor but would make a horrible POTUS”. They are supporting Romney.

  20. Massachusetts Conservative Says:

    Awaiting:

    Palin
    Rudy

    Palin said she will announce by the end of September.
    Rudy said he will announce some time after 9/11, possibly into late October.
    Once they decide, the field is SET IN STONE.

    Let’s go!

  21. Sojourner Truth Says:

    It’s going to be awfully tough for Palin to credibly attack Perry when she so visibly endorsed him just last year.

    Let her run. Let all the networks waste time talking about Trig and The First Dude.

    Then Perry can just remind everyone in the GOP primary that Mitt is basically just a Democrat.

    Perry wins Iowa and SC and the nomination.

    Run Palin run!

  22. teledude Says:

    She endorsed Perry over an establishment RINO for Governor, that doesn’t mean she thinks he would make a good president.

    She endorsed Bachmann for the House as well.

    This is a whole new ball game.

    I like her chances.

    No one is saying what she is saying.

    It’s a message that is going to resonate.

  23. Sojourner Truth Says:

    22 – It doesn’t matter anyway because she pissed away her viability by waiting too long and stealing the spotlight from other legitimate candidate. Mitt Romney may be Democrat-lite, but he is a legitimate candidate in a way Palin wasn’t when she upstaged him in New Hampshire. It’s a pattern with Palin.

    Still, it’s a tough sell for her to claim he is just dandy for Texas governor but no good for POTUS.

    She could have, you know, just kept her mouth shut and not endorsed anyone – but that seems to be tough for Palin.

    We’ll see what happens.

  24. teledude Says:

    oh no…Palin stole Mitt’s thunder by going to a clam bake.

    (hint: if someone can steal your thunder…you don’t have any thunder)

    heh heh

    too easy

  25. Sojourner Truth Says:

    I’m no champion of Mitt – but if Palin ever WERE to become a genuine threat, you’d see her be attacked by Romney, Perry, Santorum, Bachmann.

    She can’t overcome that. She was a Squishy McCain enabler. That was the price she paid for a shot at power. She is tied at the hip to TARP. She is tied at the hip to amnesty. She wanted on the ticket with a squishy Republican. She can’t run from it.

  26. hamaca Says:

    22.

    She endorsed Perry over an establishment RINO for Governor, that doesn’t mean she thinks he would make a good president.

    Yep, best to keep that cronyism, pro-illegal alien, pay-to-play, chest-poking, saber-rattling, real-estate flipping mentality there in Texas.

  27. Sojourner Truth Says:

    26 – whatever.

    But I take you agree that you can’t endorse someone and then turn around in a flash and say you didn’t really mean it.

  28. teledude Says:

    She meant it.

    She means to see him stay in Texas as well.

    It’s all good.

  29. Sojourner Truth Says:

    28 – It doesn’t matter. There is no use in talking about Palin at this point. She’s got no organization and 3 out of 4 Republicans don’t even want her to run.

  30. hamaca Says:

    27. Fair or not, the issue will come up with anyone who previously endorsed someone who is now a competitor. Same thing happens when the nominee selects a competitor for the ticket. I’m sure there are many endorsements among those who are now competing. But yes, she, and anyone, would get grilled about it.

  31. casusit Says:

    […] Just WAIT until the Establishment is forced to decide who to go for. […]

    Yes, just wait, only you do realize that the establishment doesn’t decide the GOP nominee, right? Primary voters who despise the GOP establishment—e.g. tea partiers—also have a seat at the table.

  32. Daniel Says:

    Teledude, please go away. We are all tired of you. Commenting about Sarah Palin 25 times on every post, related or unrelated, is not going to change two facts. 1) She is not going to run. 2) Even if she does, nobody will vote for her because she is an embarrassment (as 29 points out).
    She failed as a vice presidential candidate. She quit on her state. She chose to become a celebrity rather than a serious politician. She is embarrassingly stupid as anybody who has ever heard her in an unscripted interview knows. Although I could go into greater detail, a quick search for Sarah Palin on youtube would suffice to show this bimbo’s startling lack of intellect.
    So once again, GO AWAY!

  33. casusit Says:

    […] So once again, GO AWAY! […]

    Yes, but what you advocate is a double standard since Romney gave us RomneyCare with all its new rules, new taxes, its public option, and its mandates, yet no one demands that the Willardists “go away” even though their candidate doesn’t stand a chance.

  34. Daniel Says:

    33. Romney is actually running. Romney is actually in this poll. Romney is sitting on a pile of money. Romney has the best organization. Romney is running second in the polls. Although he is a flawed candidate, he definitely has a good chance. There is no comparison.

  35. casusit Says:

    […] There is no comparison. […]

    Yes, no comparison, only you have yet to convince me of your claim as Romney to those of us who hew to a program of growth, jobs, and entitlement reform tend to lump Romney in with advocacy candidates like Herman Cain, or joke candidates like Dennis Kucinich of the left. Romney’s just not a serious candidate.

  36. Franklin Says:

    It’s going to be awfully tough for Palin to credibly attack Perry when she so visibly endorsed him just last year.
    =============================================
    She endorsed him governor not President. It seems that the Perry people hae a tough time understanding that.

    ““It’s legal plunder,” said state Representative David Simpson, a Longview Republican backed by Tea Party activists.

    “You can’t avoid the appearance of impropriety when you take money from everyone and you give it to a select few,” said the first-term lawmaker. He opposes using tax money for business and said he voted against the school funding deal Perry signed.

    When Simpson, the Longview Republican, tried to cut off the incentive funds in May, Perry called him into his office for a meeting. Perry was “sensitive” to criticism of the programs, the lawmaker said.

    “He took offense at my call for more transparency,” said Simpson, 50. Nashed, Perry’s spokeswoman, declined to comment on the meeting.

    Since December 2000, Texas employers have added more than 1 million nonfarm positions, even as the U.S. total was little changed, according to Labor Department figures. By 2008, when state payroll employment peaked at about 10.7 million, Comptroller Susan Combs, also a Republican, said six state economic-development programs including the funds overseen by Perry were responsible for less than 1 percent of those jobs.

  37. Sojourner Truth Says:

    Romney’s not a serious candidate and he isn’t going to win.

    He IS a candidate though. Palin just wants attention.

  38. casusit Says:

    […] He IS a candidate though. Palin just wants attention. […]

    Yes, only I would say that she wants more attention because she already receives a share disproportionate to her contribution to the discussion over the shape of the 2012 election cycle, which is the principal task of the primary contests and all the activities that attend them.

  39. Franklin Says:

    It doesn’t matter. There is no use in talking about Palin at this point. She’s got no organization and 3 out of 4 Republicans don’t even want her to run.
    ====================================================
    And that comes straight from Perry’s pollster.

    CNN
    July
    Rick Perry
    Would like to see run 50%

    Sarah Palin
    Would like to see run 55%

  40. Franklin Says:

    Palin just wants attention.
    =============================
    And if she decided not to run then every Republican candidate would be beating down her door for an endorsement. Perry’s people kkep insisting Palin will endorse them.

  41. Franklin Says:

    So once again, GO AWAY!
    ===========================
    Why don’t you go away? Go to where all liberals go to die.

  42. casusit Says:

    […] She endorsed him governor not President. It seems that the Perry people hae a tough time understanding that. […]

    Yes, it’s a funny thing about Perry people like me, because I also have a problem with Romney’s argument that we should excuse his RomneyCare debacle because it only affects 8% of Americans or something. We Perry people just get hung up on these logical hiccoughs that others want to excuse a little too easily.

    A Curious Answer
    Mitt Romney on Obamacare

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/romneys-obamacare-evasions_592737.html

    […] It’s true that Romney didn’t cut Medicare. (Nor, as a governor, could he.) Romney’s health-care law, however, applies to all Massachusetts residents, not just 8 percent of them — even if only 8 percent were originally out of compliance with it. Like ObamaCare, Romney’s health-care law requires 100 percent of residents, with perhaps very few exceptions, to buy (often heavily taxpayer-subsidized) government-approved health insurance. True, the vast majority of Massachusetts residents already had insurance when the law was passed, but that’s the case nationally as well.

    And Romney did raise taxes on those who violated this newly imposed insurance mandate.

    In his book, Romney quotes Atul Gawande, a Harvard-affiliated doctor, who offers a generally favorable description of RomneyCare but notes that “those who had no coverage had to enroll in a plan or incur a tax penalty.” Gawande subsequently says that RomneyCare contains a “requirement that individuals buy insurance.” Romney doesn’t dispute Gawande’s description.

    The website Mass.gov says, “The individual mandate is a requirement that all Massachusetts residents over the age of 18, for whom available health insurance is affordable, obtain and maintain health insurance that meets minimum coverage requirements beginning July 1, 2007.

    “Individuals who cannot show proof of health insurance coverage by Dec. 31, 2007, will lose their personal income tax exemption when filing their 2007 income taxes….

    “Failure to meet the requirement in 2008 will result in a fine for each month the individual does not have coverage. The fine will equal 50 percent of the least costly, available insurance premium that meets the standard for creditable coverage” […]

    Oh, snap! This RomneyCare disaster just won’t go away!

  43. TEX Says:

    32

    Is corrupt to the core Tricky Ricky Blagoyevich Perry your candidate?!

    The same guy who tried to force little girls in Texas to take vaccine for
    sexually transmitted disease so his friends at Merck can make billions?!

    The same corrupt crony crook who tried Trans-Texas Corridor Toll Road
    System,so foreign companies with direct ties with his ex and present
    staffers can make billions on the back of Texans?!

    Mr Texas Dream Act?!

    You mean the phony cowboy Ricky Blagoyevich Perry,The Big Government politician,from $49 to $90 billion budget spending “free for all”?!

    The corrupt phony,fake and a fraud you want to vote for?
    You might as well vote for the real deal – Obama.

    14 Reasons Why Rick Perry Would Be A Really, Really Bad President

    http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/14-reasons-why-rick-perry-would-be-a-really-really-bad-president

  44. casusit Says:

    […] Perry’s people kkep insisting Palin will endorse them. […]

    When do you think she will?

  45. aspire Says:

    I did a little calculating, and I don’t think Perry had a 2.22 GPA. That doesn’t count the Org II class he failed and gives him grade points for PE without counting the credit hours. It’s more likely a 2.10 if their method of calculating GPA hasn’t changed (excludes PE). However if you include the PE that brings it up to 2.12, which is probably the fairest comparison to other GPAs.

    It looks like he was cruising just above the GPA required for graduation. Then in his last semester pulled it up a bit. So what does that mean? Did Perry do as little as he could in order to graduate? Was he a struggling student who barely graduated? I don’t know, but I am not the least bit impressed by his education. He can barely claim a college degree.

  46. casusit Says:

    […] 14 Reasons Why Rick Perry Would Be A Really, Really Bad President
    […]

    Yet I would vote for him over Romney in a heartbeat. No question. Not even a pause to reflect because of RomneyCare.

  47. Perry/Bachmann for 2012! Says:

    It’s been football and baseball all afternoon for me but here’s three sweet Perry tweets fo all conservatives to enjoy, folks :)

    PerryTweets2012 PerryTweets2012
    Gov’t employment in TX is *down* 20K over the last year. Private employment up 220K.
    8 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply »

    PerryTweets2012 PerryTweets2012
    Nobel Prize winner Milton Friedman called social security a ponzi scheme.
    2 hours ago Favorite Retweet Reply »

    PerryTweets2012 PerryTweets2012
    NH House Majority Whip Pete Silva endorses Gov. Rick Perry for president. #fitn @nhkillion
    5 hours ago Favorite Retweet Reply

  48. casusit Says:

    […] Why don’t you go away? Go to where all liberals go to die.
    […]

    Die? They don’t die. They just run for president forever. Take Romney for example. He’s been running full time since 2006.

  49. casusit Says:

    […] NH House Majority Whip Pete Silva endorses Gov. Rick Perry for president. […]

    Ouch.

  50. casusit Says:

    […] Gov’t employment in TX is *down* 20K over the last year. Private employment up 220K.
    […]

    Old news. And it won’t stop the Willardists from singing like magpies the precise opposite line. Facts to them are an affront to their candidate.

  51. Perry/Bachmann for 2012! Says:

    TWO BILLION Reasons Why Willard Romney Would Be A Really, Really, REALLY Bad President

    Lessons from the Fall of RomneyCare

    http://www.cato.org/pubs/policy_report/v30n1/cpr30n1-1.html

    Over the next 10 years, projections suggest that Romney- Care will cost about $2 billion more than was budgeted. And the cost to Massachusetts taxpayers …
    ?

  52. Perry/Bachmann for 2012! Says:

    45.

    How’s that Ivy League education workin’ out for ya, Obama, and his genius White House team of advisors?

  53. aspire Says:

    And Romney did raise taxes on those who violated this newly imposed insurance mandate.

    This is somewhat true. The truth is Commonwealth Care eliminated the personal exemption for those uninsured (a measure Romney opposed and I believe line-item-vetoed), however it passes anyway. This was a relatively small amount, I believe between $100 and $200 dollars. Romney also lowered taxes overall, so even for some of those who now lost their free ride, it may have still represented a net tax cut.

    I think it’s fair to say that he shifted more (not all) of the burden of paying for uninsured free-riders to the uninsured. Should I be lumped into the pool of those paying for free-riders if I already have insurance? You can decide for yourself.

    If we compare that to what other republicans were suggesting – a $2,500 tax break for the insured, the difference is substantially larger. Can you imagine that this $2,500 “tax cut” would have NOT come at the expense of raising the base rate? If so, you have a better imagination than I do. Both plans in my opinion move the burden of uninsured free-riders to the uninsured. Romney’s only problem was that he didn’t sell it as a “tax cut”. He should have let the Democrats raise taxes a tiny bit, then came in with a “tax cut for the insured” that more than offset the raise in taxes. The exact same plan, but with a little better marketing (for republicans).

  54. Franklin Says:

    Rudy said he will announce some time after 9/11, possibly into late October.
    =======================================
    He is on the same August-September timetable that Palin is on. By no later than Sept 30, we should have a complete field. Then, GAME ON.

  55. Franklin Says:

    When do you think she will?
    ==============================
    When he runs for Governor again.

  56. aspire Says:

    How’s that Ivy League education workin’ out for ya, Obama, and his genius White House team of advisors?

    Awesome, 2 misspellings while criticizing education.

    There’s usually numerous ways to do something wrong, and few ways to do something right. The idea that an educated president isn’t working out, so we should choose a guy with a very low GPA next time isn’t sound logic. Do we really want to look for the dumbest guy available? Is that really your goal? If somebody enters the race with an even lower GPA would you have to seriously consider switching? Somehow I doubt it.

  57. Franklin Says:

    Yes, it’s a funny thing about Perry people like me, because I also have a problem with Romney’s argument that we should excuse his RomneyCare debacle because it only affects 8% of Americans or something. We Perry people just get hung up on these logical hiccoughs that others want to excuse a little too easily.
    =====================================================
    You’re running the wrong flag up the pole. I have no more use for Romney that I do for Perry. i am not conservative astroturf unlike some other faux conservatives who back Perry.

  58. hamaca Says:

    32. I hope he sticks around. Your opinions about Palin are irrelevant for purposes of whether the discussion about a particular candidate should be shut down. Should she decide to run, she’d have instant organization and more supporters than many of the current crop of candidates you seem willing to discuss. She is also quoted more often in the press than many of those same struggling candidates.

  59. TEX Says:

    44

    When do you think she will?
    =====================================

    When pigs start flying!!!

  60. casusit Says:

    […] When he runs for Governor again. […]

    Zing! Good one.

  61. casusit Says:

    […] I have no more use for Romney that I do for Perry. […]

    Yes, and I have no reason to doubt you, only deep down inside of every anti-Perry person is a frantic Willardist trying to break through his or her thick chrysalis of angst and ennui to realize their affection for all things false, vain, and a little bit backward. It’s just nature’s way.

  62. hamaca Says:

    Regarding Perry’s grades in college, I take those with a grain of salt. Yes, how and what someone does in college can be an indication of intellect and potential, but it shouldn’t be considered a qualification or lack thereof for the Presidency. What someone actually does with the cards they’ve been dealt is more important. What they’ve learned and experienced along the way that contributes to how they’d lead has to trump grades and major.

    At the same time, the reverse is true. Just because someone does well in college should not disqualify them among people who are less educated–sure it happens sometimes, but I’m just saying that’s not all that bright of a consideration.

  63. casusit Says:

    […] Do we really want to look for the dumbest guy available? […]

    Precisely. Which is why I oppose all things Romney, the dumbest guy available if RomneyCare is any indication, and it is since it is his only achievement as an unremarkable single-term care-taker governor about a million years ago.

  64. hamaca Says:

    Yes, and I have no reason to doubt you, only deep down inside of every anti-Perry person is a frantic Willardist trying to break through his or her thick chrysalis of angst and ennui to realize their affection for all things false, vain, and a little bit backward. It’s just nature’s way.

    Did you have to work on being able to write that way or does it just come naturally to you?

  65. frozone Says:

    Is is conservative to balance budgets without accounting gimicks? Surely! This is part 5 of a great series on the accomplishments of one man that has done this in private, public and non-profit arenas:

    http://conservativesamizdat.blogspot.com/2011/09/part-v-how-mitt-romney-turned-3-billion.html

    Those of you that claim Romney’s repeated “live within your means” legacy isn’t CONSERVATIVE don’t know the true meaning of the word.

    Too bad. Obama doesn’t either, and we need someone with proven skills to clean up his mess.

  66. Dr J Says:

    Peculiar that we haven’t had national poll in 11 days. I guess the pollsters are taking a vacation.

  67. casusit Says:

    […] Did you have to work on being able to write that way or does it just come naturally to you?
    […]

    Hypotaxis. It’s the new black.

  68. njinfl Says:

    When Palin enters she’ll slice a big chucnk off perry and most of what Bachmann has left, creating a three way race in which she is plainly the most talented horse.

    Perry’s whole strategy is contingent on Palin not entering, as this poll summary demonstrates. Only without her polled is Perry a clear frontrunner.

    And Perry’s numbers are going to flatten further in view of his now apparent lack of stump talent and negative charisma.

    And I dont think it has to do with the debate(s), I think it has to do with the fact that he just does not have an engaging, optismistic, inspirational personality, no matter what he says, and that realization is beginning to dawn.

    Remember, people are just getting to know perry and what they see, despite wanting to like him, is an ill-tempered sourpuss. We already tried that with McCain, folks.

    Its going to resonate with Republicans that Perry is an easy kill for the Axelrod operation. He is not electable, simple as that.

    Again, spare me your polls; Perry is so new they’re polling what people wish he was, not who he is truly.

  69. aspire Says:

    RE 62

    The thing is, you should be developing your mind in college. You should be learning how to understand complex ideas. If Perry went on to graduate school and did well this wouldn’t be an issue for me. If there’s something to show that he has grown dramatically intellectually then please make that information available. Perry did horrible in college bringing in question whether or not he’s capable of understanding the economy, foreign relations, health care, and other complicated issues. From the way he speaks, it doesn’t seem like he understands complicated issues, it seems like he likes simple ideas. Whether or not he’s smart enough to be president IS an issue, and a big one for Perry. He may literally be the dumbest person on the stage and that doesn’t bother you?

    Can we really claim that Perry is smart enough to be president, or will somebody else need to run the show behind the scenes. If somebody else then who will that be, and why not just elect them?

  70. aspire Says:

    RE: 62

    Please, save that for people who don’t know anything about healthcare or business. I’ve read extensively on Commonwealth Care and the best information comes from Edmund Haislmaier at the Heritage Foundation. Ridiculous characterization aren’t going to affect anybody who’s actually put in the time and done the research. The way you characterize Commonwealth Care shows you don’t know the facts, or you choose to ignore them.

  71. aspire Says:

    Sorry I have small keys on this, the last one was directed at comment #63.

  72. hamaca Says:

    69. Oh, I think Perry is absolutely not qualified for President due to a sheer lack of intelligence and ability to comprehend complex issues. He would be a disaster. But it’s not his college grades that tell me that.

  73. aspire Says:

    I’ve helped a lot of people along toward becoming nurses, and other similar paths. I can’t help to think that there’s no way Perry would be able to make it into a nursing program, much less make it through one. I think he has a lot to prove, and until such a time as he’s proven he’s intellectually capable, I view him as an unacceptable choice.

  74. Franklin Says:

    Yes, and I have no reason to doubt you, only deep down inside of every anti-Perry person is a frantic Willardist trying to break through his or her thick chrysalis of angst and ennui to realize their affection for all things false, vain, and a little bit backward. It’s just nature’s way.
    =====================================================
    I don’t like phonies. Romney and Perry are both phonies. Romney talks whichever talk is politically expedient. Perry is very good at talking not so good at walking the walk.

  75. casusit Says:

    Oh, SNAP! Romney has discovered the limits of PAC funding for buying the hearts and minds of Republicans!

    Perry peels away Romney’s endorsements
    http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/story/2011-09-11/perry-romney-endorsements/50362568/1

    […] WASHINGTON – Texas Gov. Rick Perry is peeling away endorsements from Republican members of Congress from Mitt Romney, despite financial support from Romney’s Free Strong America PAC to those members and the fact that some of them endorsed the former Massachusetts governor in 2008.

    Several of Romney’s 2008 supporters said it was too early to sign on with any campaign, while others said they were torn between Perry and Romney.

    So far, eight House members and one senator have backed Perry and 11 House members and two senators have endorsed Romney. […]

    Don’t these ingrates know that they were bought and paid for by Romney fair and freakin’ square! Stupid conservatives! Always deciding with their freakin’ consciences and stuff.

  76. Watchinitall Says:

    75. If you look at Perry’s record there’s a good chance some of these guys know they can get much more personal bang for the buck if they sign on with Perry. He seems to have been mighty generous to his supporters in the past . . . cherry positions, state grant money, etc. Just based on the records, if you wanted pay to play, Perry’s the obvious choice.

  77. Watchinitall Says:

    If Perry is as cynical as he seems to be, I’d guess he’ll be making commercials about his generosity and playing them back to back with his Constitutional law critiques and economic insights, formed in bovine processing class. Since his GPA was no reflection on his potential for Constitutional Law analysis or economic wisdom, there’s no telling what field he will graciously lend his insight to next.

    Maybe it’s Rick who is the most interesting man in the world?

    Stay thirsty, my friends. That could be his campaign slogan.

  78. Rightgal. Says:

    24. sorry to burst your lovefest palin bubble, but she is bought and paid for. Fox owns her soul, and the devil owns what is left. I know you think you have inside info becausde she winked at you a few weeks ago, but seriously. She’s not running.

  79. teledude Says:

    RINOgal, you are at least good for a laugh.

    Who owns your soul?…oh, that’s right, you no longer have one…

    You are starting to show signs of real fear though…. as you should.

    Your liberal Romney lovin’ world is about to come crashing down.

  80. teledude Says:

    Speaking of endorsements:

    “I love Sarah Palin, I love her positions, I think she was a good governor…I want her to be engaged in this rebuilding of the Republican Party…She is substantially more the face of this country than some other people who might want to be the face of the Republican Party. To me she’s the face of America.

    I mean she’s a hard worker, she didn’t come from money, she didn’t come from privilege, she just worked hard…I have not seen another person who invigorated the Republican base {like she did] with the possible exception of Ronald Reagan in 1976–the speech he made at the Republican Convention. People were looking around and saying, ‘we nominated the wrong dude.”

    Thanks for the kind words Rick!

  81. casusit Says:

    […] Your liberal Romney lovin’ world is about to come crashing down.
    […]

    Yes, only this would be the case in any case. Water is wet. The blue sky is blue. And Romney doesn’t stand a chance. He’s not a serious candidate, and any discussion that begins from the premise that Romney stands any chance at all is not a serious discussion.

  82. John Mark Says:

    81, I’m betting you said that about McCain a few times. Too bad you can’t prevent what you want to happen by definitive statements.

  83. TEX Says:

    22 hamaca

    She endorsed Perry over an establishment RINO for Governor, that doesn’t mean she thinks he would make a good president.
    ==================

    Yep, best to keep that cronyism, pro-illegal alien, pay-to-play, chest-poking, saber-rattling, real-estate flipping mentality there in Texas.
    =============================

    Hamaca,

    If you could hear Sarah Palin conversation with Todd about her very ill advised endorsement of Ricky Blagoyevich Perry,I bet you their language
    would not be printable.

    Sarah Palin said several times that Ricky ‘pay-to-play’ Blago assured her that he will be the governor,he will not run for president.

    In other words she’s saying that Tricky Ricky is a lying,conniving,no
    character dirt ball.

  84. casusit Says:

    […] 81, I’m betting you said that about McCain a few times. Too bad you can’t prevent what you want to happen by definitive statements.
    […]

    Yes, only did you mean to write that it is too bad that I cannot prevent what I want to happen?—why would I want to prevent what I want to happen unless I were also possessed of 2 opposing minds with 2 opposing points of view like the person of Romney himself? Yes, I issued definitive statements about Willard Romney a number of times in 2007-8 but it was the laws of physics and the hapless candidate’s own poor judgment that brought disaster on his under-performing campaign as opposed to my definitive statements, incantatory though they may have been.

    My definitive statements are only a correlation, never a cause.

  85. casusit Says:

    […] In other words she’s saying that Tricky Ricky is a lying,conniving,no
    character dirt ball.
    […]

    How ironic that the man will soon be our president.

  86. John Mark Says:

    Did you issue definitive statements about McCain losing, back when everyone was certain that he would?

  87. John Mark Says:

    85, Indeed very strange. Lying conniving dirt balls are so rarely successful politicians.

  88. teledude Says:

    Lying conniving dirt balls are often successful in politics.

    That’s why Governor Palin’s message is so refreshing to hear and will resonate so strongly with the electorate.

    A breath of fresh air…

  89. TEX Says:

    85
    How ironic that the man will soon be our president.
    =======================================

    Sarah Palin will gut that phony,fake,fraud,corrupt dirt ball like a fish!!!

    Houston Chronicle:

    “Many Political Observers Believe Palin’s Remarks About Crony Capitalism] were Aimed at Rick Perry

    Many political observers believe her remarks were aimed at another target: Rick Perry, whose lengthy tenure in office leaves him vulnerable to the charge he has rewarded campaign contributors with government favors. She raised a question central to the GOP’s mission: If Republicans hope to defeat Obama because he engages in “crony capitalism,” is Perry the right candidate to carry that message?

    “When she said ‘crony capitalism,’ who else could it be? It had to be Perry,” said Dr. Larry Sabato, director of the University of Virginia’s Center for Politics.

    Even the left-wing Jonathan Bernstein is “pretty confident that the debate pushes Palin towards running.”

  90. casusit Says:

    […] Did you issue definitive statements about McCain losing, back when everyone was certain that he would? […]

    Anyone who could read a poll knew that McCain was going to lose especially after the stunt where he suspended his campaign. But hope springs eternal. I voted for the man. I don’t remember issuing any prophecies of doom however. What would have been the point?

  91. casusit Says:

    […] 85, Indeed very strange. Lying conniving dirt balls are so rarely successful politicians. […]

    ROTFL. I take half credit though as I set that up for you.

  92. John Mark Says:

    88, Yes, it was sarcasm in case you missed it, I was respondign to Casusit’s idea that Perry’s future success vindicated him from charges of being a dirtball.

  93. John Mark Says:

    90, I was talking about losing the primary. Everybody predicted he would lose that.

  94. casusit Says:

    […] 90, I was talking about losing the primary. […]

    I predicted McCain would win the primaries and take the nomination. I predicted Romney’s discomfiture based solely on his performance in Iowa as would anyone with half a brain who understood the temper of the primary voters at the time. But before I twist my shoulder trying to pat myself on the back I should add that I also predicted that Rudy would triumph because of his FL firewall strategy. I very much wanted Rudy based on his achievements in NYC. My emotional attachment to hizzoner clouded my judgment.

  95. John Mark Says:

    94, That’s pretty impressive, if you did it before McCain’s winning surge in NH. If, on the other hand, if you did it when it was down to McCain and Huckabee, less impressive. :-)

  96. casusit Says:

    […] success vindicated him from charges […]

    Yes, only I asserted an outcome of electoral victory with no suggestion of “vindication”. That would be your addition. No “vindication” of any kind need obtain until fully empanelled grand juries begin issuing subpoenas. As far as I know they are not.

  97. John Mark Says:

    “That would be your addition.” More like your implication. You thought Perry’s future victory was an appropriate rebuttal to the popular idea that he is a dirtbag.

  98. casusit Says:

    […] 94, That’s pretty impressive, if you did it before McCain’s winning surge in NH. […]

    I never thought Huckabee was a serious candidate. I was happy but flummoxed when he completely upended Romney in Iowa after Romney spent US$11m and six months on the ground in the state, but I still never thought he was a serious candidate, he was just not Romney which became a fairly reliable predictor of any candidate’s performance relative to Romney for the rest of the season. The coalitions of the GOP base just do not heart Romney. Based on that I concluded that McCain would prevail after a long and painful slog.

    It was a horrible year for conservatives.

  99. casusit Says:

    […] “That would be your addition.” More like your implication. You thought Perry’s future victory was an appropriate rebuttal to the popular idea that he is a dirtbag. […]

    Uh, yes, only no, and your mind-reading skills are a problem because my assertion held my only implication which is simply that Perry will prevail despite anyone’s charges against the man’s character or conduct. Electoral victories register only a consent to rule; any sense of “vindication” I leave to G-d or the courts.

  100. hamaca Says:

    96.

    No “vindication” of any kind need obtain until fully empanelled grand juries begin issuing subpoenas. As far as I know they are not.

    So, absent criminal charges, anything Perry did or does is ethical beyond reproach and a shining example of morals other politicians can look to for inspiration.

  101. TEX Says:

    96

    As far as I know they are not.
    ======================================

    CBC – Corrupt Bastards Club members felt very secured in Alaska
    until Sarah Palin came became Governor.

    Instead of getting on the gravy train of Big Oil Companies and getting
    very rich Sarah Palin went after corrupt slime balls in her own party
    and after the biggest Oil Co. in the world.

    Sarahcuda clobbered them and won!!!

    As President she will do the same thing in Washington,drain the sewer!!!

    That’s why corrupt,spineless GOP establishment would rather have Obama
    as President than Sarah Palin.

  102. casusit Says:

    […] So, absent criminal charges, anything Perry did or does is ethical beyond reproach and a shining example of morals other politicians can look to for inspiration. […]

    Yes, in a sense, though not necessarily criminal charges. Civil violations would be a problem too. But I never made any claim about shining examples. I hold politicians only to the standard of politics, which sometimes means spoils politics. Saints and sages, on the other hand, I hold to the standard of saints and sages, though I would never elect one to a higher office as the results would be disastrous. Romney is a special case. Romney I hold only to the standard of Romney; he, too, I would never elect to any kind of office.

  103. John Mark Says:

    And of course pay-to-play is really just privatizing the decision making process, so those of you that have a problem with it are all socialists.

  104. casusit Says:

    […] And of course pay-to-play is really just privatizing the decision making process, so those of you that have a problem with it are all socialists. […]

    Yes, I suppose, only that would be an abuse of the term “socialist”.

    Politicians can be voted out along with the interests they served–quid-pro-quo activity at this level is largely self-correcting. The problem in our era is when politics passes into its opposite in the form of political agency, as when Romney produces RomneyCare, a policy debacle of new taxes, new rules, exchanges, a public option, and mandates, all with its own constituencies so that can ever be voted out of office, whatever that could possibly mean in this sense. This is a problem that will produce its dividend of dislocation and the abuse of public funds for generations, and Romney is personally responsible for it.

  105. TEX Says:

    Rick Perry is a very slick and slippery Rod Blagoyevich.

    Poor Blago never got a dime for anything,still he’s going to jail.

    Ricky The Slickster Perry belongs in the same cell with naive Blago,
    if there is any justice!

  106. John Mark Says:

    104, Since when has your crowd been concerned about abusing the term “socialist.” To the Michelle Bachmann’s and Rick Perry’s of the world Socialist simply means: “someone who disagrees with me.”

  107. casusit Says:

    […] 104, Since when has your crowd been concerned about abusing the term “socialist.” To the Michelle Bachmann’s and Rick Perry’s of the world Socialist simply means: “someone who disagrees with me.” […]

    I am not them. I am a recovering Trotskyite. I come to conservatism by way of Trotsky’s Revolution Betrayed, and Schumpeter, and others. (You can’t study in the humanities in this era and not be well read in the Marxist tradition–alas.) I still hold to a dialectical account of social change—identity of opposites, negation of the negation, quantitative passing to qualitative change—but without the political program that usually attaches to it and distorts it.

  108. hamaca Says:

    107.

    I am not them. I am a recovering Trotskyite.

    Well, good luck with that. Btw, did that involve a 12-step program of any kind?

  109. casusit Says:

    This also explains why I’m comfortable with Perry. I do not subscribe to any backward or regressive “great man” theory of history or social change—that sort of thinking gave us President Obama—and though I understand and accept that an intentional mythos is a standard part of any campaign. I look only for habits of mind that support a general line of direction in terms of policy. I want someone who will respond a certain way in given conditions. Perry has demonstrated that in his state in the form of growth, jobs, and entitlement reform. There. That’s it. All the rest is detail.

  110. casusit Says:

    […] Well, good luck with that. Btw, did that involve a 12-step program of any kind? […]

    It required only a renewed interests in the classics of the Western tradition.

  111. Try Not To Laugh At My 1.9 GPA perry Says:

    Way to go Bachmann. At least she is a conservative unlike genius perry.

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0911/63217.html

  112. hamaca Says:

    109. Well why didn’t you say so before? That single comment makes more sense than your heretofore endless anti-Romney rantings.

  113. David Says:

    I can not beleive that more people are not seeing that perry is a wolf in sheeps clothing..Do your studies he is NOT who he portraits to be..In my opinion He is a republican Obama plain and simple,and certainly not who i would want for a president..im no democrat and will not vote for obama! nor will i vote for perry not sure who i will vote for at this point but ive seen to far into perry and his way to speak like obama,,Like ive said do some reserch you will not like what you see!!!He is slick and slippery with a golden tounge

  114. TEX Says:

    casusit,

    What’s up with Romney obsession?

    I know!

    If Mittens grows mustache he reminds you of Josepf Stalin,the assassin
    of your hero Lev Trotsky.

    Take a better look:

    Willard looks a lot like your hero Trotsky, and Ricky The Slickster Perry
    looks just like Joseph Stalin without mustache.

    Think about it!

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