June 22, 2011

Bringing the Perry Balloon Back Down to Earth

Never thought I’d be saying this: Alex Jones injects a little sanity into the Rick Perry lovefest that’s been sweeping the conservative political class recently.  Jones’s website recently brought to light a long list of facts about Perry’s tenure as Governor that should give conservatives and Tea Partiers pause before hailing Perry as a “Southern-fried Reagan”.

Several of the bullet points have to do with conspiracy theories regarding the “NAFTA Superhighway” or the Bilderberg conference — I’m not going to bother listing those — but the other bullet points are issues that Perry may have trouble responding to, if he wants to present himself as the GOP’s savior in 2012:

  • “When Rick Perry became the governor of Texas in 2000, the total spending by the Texas state government was approximately $49 billion.  Ten years later it was approximately $90 billion.”
  • “The debt of the state of Texas is out of control.  According to usdebtclock.org, the debt to GDP ratio in Texas is 22.9% and the debt per citizen is $10,645.  In California (a total financial basket case), the debt to GDP ratio is just 18.7% and the debt per citizen is only $9932.”
  • “The total debt of the Texas government has more than doubled since Rick Perry became governor.”
  • “Rick Perry has repeatedly raised taxes and fees while he has been governor.  Today, Texans are faced with significantly higher taxes and fees than they were before Rick Perry was elected.”
  • “Even with the oil boom in Texas, 23 states have a lower unemployment rate than Texas does.”
  • “Back in 1988, Rick Perry supported Al Gore for president.  In fact, Rick Perry actually served as Al Gore’s campaign chairman in the state of Texas that year.”
  • “Between December 2007 and April 2011, weekly wages in the U.S. increased by about 5 percent.  In the state of Texas they increased by just 0.6% over that same time period.”
  • “Texas now has one of the worst education systems in the nation.  The following is from an opinion piece that was actually authored by Barbara Bush earlier this year….

• We rank 36th in the nation in high school graduation rates. An estimated 3.8 million Texans do not have a high school diploma.

• We rank 49th in verbal SAT scores, 47th in literacy and 46th in average math SAT scores.

• We rank 33rd in the nation on teacher salaries.”

  • “Texas has the highest percentage of workers making minimum wage out of all 50 states.”
  • “In 2007, 221,000 residents of Texas were making minimum wage or less.  By 2010, that number had risen to 550,000.”
  • “Rick Perry actually issued an executive order in 2007 that would have forced almost every single girl in the state of Texas to receive the Gardasil vaccine before entering the sixth grade.  Perry would have put parents in a position where they would have had to fill out an application and beg the government not to inject their child with an untested and unproven vaccine. Since then, very serious safety issues regarding this vaccine have come to light.  Fortunately, lawmakers in Texas blocked what Perry was trying to do.  According to Wikipedia, many were troubled when ‘apparent financial connections between Merck and Perry were reported by news outlets, such as a $6,000 campaign contribution and Merck’s hiring of former Perry Chief of Staff Mike Toomey to handle its Texas lobbying work.'”

Given the fact that this general election will undoubtedly be first and foremost about the lagging economy, is Rick Perry really the best person to take up our banner in this regard?

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56 Responses to “Bringing the Perry Balloon Back Down to Earth”

  1. sjd Says:

    Josiah and the other Republican campaigns fear Mr. Perry because they all know he is a better candidate. Mr. Perry has been a politician for over 25 years…and he has never lost.

  2. sjd Says:

    Let me repeat…Mr. Perry has NEVER lost an election. EVER.

  3. mcon Says:

    1#,

    Sure but that doesn’t really answer for those issues. Specifically the issues from the last 4-5 years.

  4. Jerald Says:

    Hummm….I wonder if Perry is going to pull a “Daniels”…

  5. Liz Says:

    Dude used to be a Democrat. Can’t risk those kinds of roots this cycle.

  6. rightgal Says:

    this may well be Perry’s first loss then, and it might be a BIG loss.

  7. jaaron Says:

    That is the same argument that people have said about Tpaw and even Palin before ’08 – they never lose. Come on now, really? that is what is going to do it for ya? They never lost, so he can’t possibly lose? come on…

  8. welby Says:

    sjd Says:
    June 22nd, 2011 at 12:46 am

    Josiah and the other Republican campaigns fear Mr. Perry because they all know he is a better candidate. Mr. Perry has been a politician for over 25 years…and he has never lost.

    Unsure why this qualifies one to be president. Are republicans looking for a life-long politician to solve the country’s problems? Perry might have the skills to achieve that but being a politician for 25 years and have never lost an election are not the skills to solve problems.

    We might win but I think we are looking beyond that.

  9. sjd Says:

    #7, it’s one thing to never lose in a few election cycles in small and medium states, it’s quite another to never lose for over a quarter century, that’s over 25+ years, in one of the biggest states in America. And that includes blowing away previously undefeated primary competitors such as Kay Bailey Hutchinson in 2010.

    McCain was a very weak candidate in 2008, and Romney couldn’t even beat him. Romney is just not a very good candidate, and Obama would mop the floor with Romney’s smarmy demeanor. He’s just not a good candidate, that’s why he couldn’t beat McCain. I’m sorry, it’s just a fact.

    We’ll just have to wait and see. But intellectually dishonest posts like Josiah’s only serve to highlight that other Republican campaigns absolutely fear Mr. Perry.

  10. Liz Says:

    Romney is not a very good candidate, but he would be a rippin’ grand president. Let’s rally.

    As for Mr. Perry, I appreciate the vetting going on in this post. I decided after Mark Sanford and of course Obama, that I would not support a new candidate this cycle, especially one who throws in late if I did not feel they had been properly vetted. Only Romney has been fully vetted. Everyone else is just making a play for 2016 in my mind.

  11. Liz Says:

    Oh – Palin has been more than fully vetted, but she isn’t running.

  12. Liz Says:

    Obama would mop the floor with Romney’s “smarmy” demeanor?

    Let’s take an impromptu poll on that one. That’s just wild.

  13. sjd Says:

    #12…McCain did.

  14. Liz Says:

    I’ll tell you, I do like Perry’s call to fast and pray for the welfare of the nation. He is so “in your face” as far as this godless administration is concerned. Whether or not Perry is truly religious, I have no idea. I hope it’s genuine, since I am repulsed by hypocrisy. He needs to be vetted in order to be taken seriously. Josiah has started that process.

  15. Liz Says:

    I’d say McCain was smarmy. You thought he won the debates, eh? Interesting. I thought McCain came across as petty and snarky. That’s just being a jerk, I guess. Smarmy means more like, “What a good boy am I,” right? THAT would have been Huckabee then, in my estimation.

  16. sjd Says:

    #10…as for masquerading intellectually dishonest attacks as “vetting,” that’s laughable, I’m sorry, Perry has been vetted on a big-time stage for 25+ years and has never lost.

  17. sjd Says:

    #14…as for masquerading intellectually dishonest attacks as “vetting,” that’s laughable, I’m sorry, Perry has been vetted on a big-time stage for 25+ years and has never lost.

  18. sjd Says:

    smarmy: “unpleasantly suave”

    I think that’s why Romney lost the 2010 primary to Mr. Old Crotchety.

  19. Liz Says:

    SJD, so, you are good with supporting Al Gore?

    Mandating vaccinations to young girls against the wishes of their parents?

    I’d like to know more. Sanford managed to make it to governor too.

    Bytheway, I like Texas, I like Perry’s image. I just wonder who he really is.

  20. Liz Says:

    What if Perry is a Charlie Crist, just all rugged and Texanish instead of metrosexual and femmy? Don’t you want to know before pulling the lever?

  21. Liz Says:

    He did win office as a DEMOCRAT, you know. He is no longer a DEMOCRAT. Change of heart? Reborn? Or a poser? Political opportunist? Inquiring voters want to know.

  22. Liz Says:

    What other friends does he have, besides Al Gore?

    Is Perry just angling for VP?

  23. Liz Says:

    Romney this cycle. There is no one else. I’ll keep my eyes open, but there simply is no one else. Which is too bad, because Obama will be so evasive and dwarfish were he to ever debate, which he won’t, that we’ll all just feel sorry for him. I wish he were more worthy of his challengers…………but I’ve heard the guy speak off teleprompter life support. Painful. Pretty raw embarrassment.

  24. sjd Says:

    Liz, you are quite funny, and you must not pay much attention to politics. If you know anything about Republicans vs. Conservatives and Rick Perry, the one thing nobody questions is his conservative bona-fides. If you have any questions about Perry and conservatism, consider that someone those who pay attention, e.g. Rush Limbaugh, have essentially endorsed Rick Perry for 2012.

  25. Liz Says:

    18, Romney lost because he hadn’t been vetted. And, Soros was only supporting Obama, McCain, and Clinton, so Romney had to finance his own campaign. This round, however, he is vetted. And funding and name recognition look solid this early on. I think you will be pleasantly suprised how different it is this time.

  26. sjd Says:

    Liz, Romney must be rubbing off on you, because you are attempting your own version of “smarminess” on this thread. You’re not smooth. You are transparently smarmy. Take care.

  27. Liz Says:

    Rush Limbaugh all but endorsed Palin, and she is into global warming. Was, I should say. Flip-flopped. I like Rush Limbaugh. But he doesn’t choose my candidate. I am funny, thank you, and I find politics terribly corrupt. So I avoid it when I can. Which isn’t often. Professional football and baseball is also fixed, so I NEVER watch that either.

  28. Liz Says:

    I’ll just have to go practice my transparent unsmooth smarminess elsewhere. If it hadn’t been for you meddling kids…..

  29. Liz Says:

    …I would have gotten aWAY with this version.

  30. LV Says:

    Perry has too much baggage…I don’t think he’s running! On top of all the information above, here’s another little tidbit…..

    Texas public schools also teaches Mexican History from Mexican Textbooks….In fact the battle of the Alamo is taught in the Mexican perspective…..which of course is a whole other view..

    I really don’t think he’s running.

  31. LV Says:

    sjd #24

    Rush is supporting Perry? Really? You mean the same Rush Limbaugh who calls himself a Reagan Conservative?

    What’s he gonna say when he finds out Perry was an Al Gore Democrat during the Reagan Revolution….I think he’ll be in for a shock.

  32. Thomas Alan Says:

    Perry may have never lost an election, but it’s been a good 20 years since he’s been in a competitive one.

  33. Heath Says:

    Unless the gay rumours can be proven Perry has almost as good a chance as Mitt.

    Win Iowa (won’t be hard against T/Paw, freaky Michelle and mad Cain), place in NH, win SC, win or second in Florida, become the only alternative to Mittens and get all the southern/conservative/tea party vote.

  34. thunder (Romney/Huckabee 2012) Says:

    # sjd Says:
    June 22nd, 2011 at 2:11 am

    Liz, you are quite funny, and you must not pay much attention to politics. If you know anything about Republicans vs. Conservatives and Rick Perry, the one thing nobody questions is his conservative bona-fides. If you have any questions about Perry and conservatism, consider that someone those who pay attention, e.g. Rush Limbaugh, have essentially endorsed Rick Perry for 2012.
    =======================================================================
    Funny, but I that is exactly what we are doing…. Questioning his conservatism, and it isn’t looking good….

  35. J Rogers Says:

    24.sjd Says:
    June 22nd, 2011 at 2:11 am
    Liz, you are quite funny, and you must not pay much attention to politics. If you know anything about Republicans vs. Conservatives and Rick Perry, the one thing nobody questions is his conservative bona-fides. If you have any questions about Perry and conservatism, consider that someone those who pay attention, e.g. Rush Limbaugh, have essentially endorsed Rick Perry for 2012.
    ———————————————-
    I live in Texas, and I DEFINITELY question Perry’s conservative bona fides. Truth is, many in Texas question them. He talks the talk, but when you look closely, it’s not how he governs. As for 2010, Kay Bailey Hutchison is seen as a moderate – not really a positive here in Texas. It’s not surprising she made little headway in 2010, and Perry was able to pull it out in the primaries.

  36. asparagus Says:

    Perry is a good enough leader when he is working behind the scenes. I think of him more as a caretaker for the big money interests than a governor. Every time he makes a public appearance, its usually a disaster in the order of the HPV vaccine or the Trans Texas Corridor. Because of this, people in Texas don’t have a very high opinion of him. Most Texans feel he hasn’t done anything useful about illegal immigration, which is a huge problem in this state. I’m confident Bush had much higher approval ratings as governor than Perry does now.

  37. MarqueG Says:

    Texas public schools also teaches Mexican History from Mexican Textbooks….In fact the battle of the Alamo is taught in the Mexican perspective…..which of course is a whole other view..

    Well, from this perspective, it’s actually good news that TX public schools are failing.

    But if you look closer, it’s the TX school book committee that selects the standard texts. I’m guessing Perry’s involvement is limited to nominating members of that committee.

  38. MarqueG Says:

    Holy Wiccan Deity and/or Deities!

    Can anyone conceivably have put on a worse campaign launch?

    He’s been touted by the MSM for weeks. He supposedly has the most expensive campaign staff in the field. And they misspell his name?

    This is even more embarrassing that Mitt Romney v. 2.007.

  39. Joe Says:

    #24 – Rush has not endorsed anyone – he has been very clear about that. I’m not too impressed by 25+ years of winnning elections in a big state. If that were the criteria, Arlen Specter should have been nominated at some point. I am tired of being disappointed by candidates who talk the talk but who don’t walk the walk. Not sure if that if Perry or not, but I now have some questions.

  40. Jaxemer11 Says:

    9 – He only got about 40% of the Republican support in the last primary. He almost lost the previous primary too. He has a lot of problems. Why don’t you address some of them rather than relying on silly justifications like how he is able to squeak by in elections when he has the advantage of being an incumbent?

  41. Jaxemer11 Says:

    9 – Do you know how many times Reagan lost in a presidential primary?

  42. asparagus Says:

    37 you’ve pretty much described Perry’s role in leading here “limited to”. During budget negotiations he’s been AWOL. Right now he’s doing a Palin-style victory lap, calling himself a prophet, meanwhile, the final budget hasn’t even been approved and the legislature is still in special session.

  43. Not Your Daddy's Craig Says:

    This is an astoundingly bad resume. He would get destroyed by Obama.

  44. Massachusetts Conservative Says:

    HEY SJD

    Get your arrogant attitude off this thread if you’re going to continue to disregard FACTS.

    The FACTS are listed above in the article.

    •“When Rick Perry became the governor of Texas in 2000, the total spending by the Texas state government was approximately $49 billion. Ten years later it was approximately $90 billion.”
    •“The debt of the state of Texas is out of control. According to usdebtclock.org, the debt to GDP ratio in Texas is 22.9% and the debt per citizen is $10,645. In California (a total financial basket case), the debt to GDP ratio is just 18.7% and the debt per citizen is only $9932.”
    •“The total debt of the Texas government has more than doubled since Rick Perry became governor.”
    •“Rick Perry has repeatedly raised taxes and fees while he has been governor. Today, Texans are faced with significantly higher taxes and fees than they were before Rick Perry was elected.”
    •“Even with the oil boom in Texas, 23 states have a lower unemployment rate than Texas does.”
    •“Back in 1988, Rick Perry supported Al Gore for president. In fact, Rick Perry actually served as Al Gore’s campaign chairman in the state of Texas that year.”
    •“Between December 2007 and April 2011, weekly wages in the U.S. increased by about 5 percent. In the state of Texas they increased by just 0.6% over that same time period.”
    •“Texas now has one of the worst education systems in the nation. The following is from an opinion piece that was actually authored by Barbara Bush earlier this year….

    This does NOT tell me he’s a Conservative. Almost DOUBLING state government? Raising taxes? Increasing debt?

    Is this what we need in the White House for another 4 years? If we’re going to vote for Perry, why not just vote for Obama? Same thing!

  45. hamaca Says:

    sjd,

    All candidates get their record and background questioned. They and their supporters reply, rebut, respond, react and regurgitate.

    Seems you are suggesting that Perry shouldn’t have to go through this process. Why not? Posting facts from his record is disingenuous? You’re supposed to clarify what is specifically wrong about the points, and then everyone can decide if there was an honest mistake or something more sinister involved.

  46. Freddy Ardanza Says:

    Perry/Crist the Fabulous ticket.

  47. Jaxemer11 Says:

    46 – I think I just threw up in my mouth.

  48. Mark in PA Says:

    Perry has some big flaws, but don’t they all? He’s on my short list because he’s a competent governor, and worlds better than what we currently have in office. Don’t care that he used to be a Dem… so was Reagan (not that Perry is close to Reagan, I’m just saying).
    But he’s still behind TPAW, and way way behind Mitt in my book.

    I think Obama would just love to run against Texas (Bush) again. Most of the country, I think, gets annoyed hearing about how great Texas is… I know my friends and neighbors up in PA don’t exactly love TX.

  49. Massachusetts Conservative Says:

    If Perry runs, he will be mincemeat when all these facts are brought forth.

  50. TarheelRepublican Says:

    49 MA-

    I’m worried he wouldn’t be mincemeat until got the nomination, after the damage is done.

  51. Massachusetts Conservative Says:

    50

    Yes me too… if the imbeciles who want to destroy Romney have their way.

    Perry would be a massive loss to Obama.

  52. CF Says:

    That list is a damning piece of evidence and a very good reason to not support Rick Perry. Never thought I’d say this, but Rick Perry suddenly makes Mike Huckabee look really, really good.

  53. Tom in SoCal Says:

    49

    Let Perry run. The primaries are a good place to vet these candidates (all of them). If his flaws are fatal, so be it.

    Personally I don’t think any of the candidates are flawless.

  54. Jaxemer11 Says:

    53 – I agree … come on in Perry. You won’t get very far, but you might as well give it a shot.

  55. Sean P Says:

    Josiah:

    Allow me to pour some cold water over your cold water:

    Budget growth is meaningless in and of itself, it needs to be adjusted for inflation and population increases. Inflation is about 30% total from 2000. As for population, in 2000, Texas’s population was 20.8 million, by the 2010 census it was 25.2 million, a 21% increase. And by all accounts the rate of population growth has increased since then so its at least 25-26%. Controlling for those two costs a $79 billion budget for Texas 2011 would be the same as a $49 billion budget for 2000. So, yes a net increase in spending but not much, and certainly less than his immediate predecessors in the White House.

    I live in California, and the debt per citizen ratio cannot possibly be higher than in Texas by any objective standard — our train to nowhere will likely include more than $50 billion+ in bond debt alone and it hasn’t even been built yet, and every year voters include at least $20 billion for every feel good measure under the sun, from “clean water” to bonds for school that get built on contaminated soil. And if I were to be persuaded otherwise it wouldn’t be by people who believe in Bildegerg Conference conspiracy theories.

    So raising fees now is equvilent to raising taxes? Well, I guess it only is if Romney isn’t doing it.

    A Southerner in the 1980’s supported Al Gore? Shocking! Get the pitcforks!

    And I have to say I’m extremely unimpressed with the fact that the number of minimum wage people has increased in Texas since the beginnings of A NATIONAL RECESSION. What, it would be better if they weren’t working at all? Please.

    I’m not saying Perry is perfect but comparing his record to the rest of these United States it is pretty damn good. And he shouldn’t be dismissed out of hand — especially not because some Bildeberg conspiracy theorists think so.

  56. Rhymes With Right Says:

    Here are the problems with Perry’s actions in this situation.

    1) He acted unilaterally, with no consultation with members of the legislative branch.

    2) It is questionable whether or not Perry had the authority under the Texas Constitution or statutory law to impose the requirement.

    3) Perry and his aides argued that not only did he have the right to issue the executive order, but that the Texas Legislature lacked the authority to overturn his actions or prohibit the use of state money to fund the vaccination program.

    4) HPV is different from every other disease for which the state of Texas requires vaccination as a condition of enrollment in school. The others can be easily passed in a normal classroom setting in the course of the ordinary activity of going to school. HPV, on the other hand, is not ordinarily passed under such conditions — therefore the nexus between school enrollment and the vaccine is lacking.

    5) If Perry’s reasoning is accepted as legitimate, then there is no legitimate barrier to a future governor issuing an executive order mandating that girls receive Norplant as a condition of enrolling in school beginning in sixth grade. After all, given the multitude of societal problems caused by teen pregnancy and the negative impact on the future of girls who do become pregnant, there is a compelling argument that such a mandate is beneficial to society and the girls — religious, moral, legal, and constitutional questions notwithstanding — and that argument is every bit as compelling as the argument for Gardasil (actually more so, given the number of teen pregnancies every year).

    Besides, I think that the commercial that the manufacturer put out at the time really offers the best critique of Perry’s misdeeds in this case. It said “ask your doctor if Gardasil is right for you” — but nowhere suggested consultation with your governor or other elected officials. It is therefore clear that Rick Perry’s decision to play doctor with the little girls of Texas was the wrong one.

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