December 19, 2010

Jeb 2012, says…Mike Huckabee?

The former Arkansas governor claims to be presently undecided on his plans for 2012, but also suggests that at least one presidential hopeful could keep him out of the field:

(Gov. Huckabee) said he would stay out of the race if former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush were to run.

“I love Jeb, I think he’s brilliant,” Huckabee said. “He could certainly raise the money, and I think he’d clear the deck.” He also said there are a lot of capable, qualified possible candidates who “aren’t the obvious ones.”

This is an astute observation by Gov. Huckabee, as all of the “obvious” candidates to whom he refers — candidates like Mitt Romney, Sarah Palin, Newt Gingrich, and the former governor himself, are losing to President Obama in most polls of likely general election voters. Given that the president is maintaining these leads despite an approval rating that has dropped into the lower 40s according to some polls, it is possible that the GOP is in need of a game-changing nominee in 2012, and one who can contrast the competing visions of Obama and the Republicans in a way that unites both GOP base voters and swing voters.

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63 Responses to “Jeb 2012, says…Mike Huckabee?”

  1. Aron Goldman Says:

    FOX NEWS Video: Huckabee Attacks ‘Far Right’ Palin’s ‘Extreme Position’ Against Tax Bill Compromise

  2. hamaca Says:

    I don’t know that the party out of power has very often had a stand-out candidate at this point in the process. If current polls were reflective of well thought out voter opinions, I’d understand the desire to find someone else–but they aren’t and I don’t.

    Also, what are the actual reasons why the current stable of Repubs aren’t polling better against Obama? I’m not sure they are the same reasons that will be reflective of voters after rounds of debates, ads, and general campaigning, i.e. when things start getting serious.

    There’s a lot to like about Jeb. The fact that he’s not one of the current crop of front-runners is a weak reason to support him, though. He still needs to be “vetted” as do all who’ll be moving forward.

  3. Dave Says:

    It’s not intuitively obvious why Huck specified Jeb as someone who would keep him from running. Huck and Jeb don’t have much in common, and it’s apparent that Jeb isn’t running anyway.

    Sarah’s fans are ripping Huck apart right now for his criticisms of her “extreme” positions. If he does run, he will need to keep his flack jacket on.

  4. TEX Says:

    Dave Says:
    December 20th, 2010 at 12:37 am

    It’s not intuitively obvious why Huck specified Jeb as someone who would keep him from running. Huck and Jeb don’t have much in common, and it’s apparent that Jeb isn’t running anyway.
    ==========================================================================================

    Huckabee is not running.He knows that Sarah Palin
    will clean his clock in Iowa.And then what’s left
    for him?Arkansas?

    Why talking about Jeb?He knows Jeb is not running,
    he’s kissing his a$$ to get on good side of GOP
    establishment in case Romney stumbles and doesn’t
    run.Attacking Palin will put him on good side of
    establishment,not attacking Romney,who is also
    against the lousy tax deal.

    It just shows how slick and calculated Huckster is.
    No wonder Rombots despise him.

  5. Craig Says:

    TEX,

    I’m not convinced that the Palin strategy of making enemies with every other possible fellow Republican candidate by constantly labeling them ALL good ol’ boys and establishment types is the way to go. But, hey what do I know? ; )

    LATEST POLL TRACKER:

    Huckabee 45.4%
    Obama 45.4%

    Obama 44.8%
    Romney 44.5%

    Obama 49.0%
    Gingrich 44.8%

    Obama 51.5%
    Palin 39.0%

    http://polltracker.talkingpointsmemo.com/contests/us-pres-12/Obama-Palin

    POLLTRACKER.COM FAVORABILTY ..as of 12/19/10

    Huckabee ….. 40.5% / 29.8% .. +10.7%
    Romney ……. 35.3% / 30.4% .. +4.9%
    Obama ……. 49.2% / 44.3% … +4.9%
    Palin ………. 36.6% / 52.7% . -16.1%

    http://polltracker.talkingpointsmemo.com/candidates/sarah-palin

    POLLSTER.COM FAVORABILITY ..as of 12/19/10

    Huckabee …. 39.1% / 28.3% .. +10.8%
    Romney……. 34.0% / 31.0% … +3.0%
    Obama …… 50.1% / 46.7% … +3.4%
    Palin ……… 37.4% / 52.3% .. -14.9%

    http://www.pollster.com/polls/us/fav-palin.php

  6. Craig Says:

    I recall in Iowa how Rombots kept saying how they were going to “clean Huck’s clock” after outspending Huck 20 to 1.

    Mike won in a landslide.

  7. Craig Says:

    Perhaps Palin will finally accept Huckabee’s two year old invitaion to come on his show.

    She’s going to have to debate him at some point so why not now?

    She can come on and explain why she is not supporting the 81-19 vote in the Senate for the Tax Cuts For All deal and why she backs the 19 extremists who voted NO:

    Sens. Jeff Bingaman (D-N.M.),Russ Feingold (D-Wis.), Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.), Kay Hagan (D-N.C.), Tom Harkin (D-Iowa), Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.), Pat Leahy (D-Vt.), Carl Levin (D-Mich.), Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.), Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.), Tom Coburn (R-Okla.), Jim DeMint (R-S.C.), John Ensign (R-Nev.), and Mark Udall (D-Colo.).

  8. Craig Says:

    *invitation* ;)

  9. Ray Brun Says:

    Craig,
    Calling Jim Demint and Tom Coburn extremists when it comes to tax legislation shows that all you care about is towing the Huckabee line and not thinking for yourself about issues facing this country.

  10. Thunder Says:

    It seems that Huck is trying to get anyone nominated except for Romney (and perhaps Palin). Huck refuses to put the past behind him and go on with his life. He would do just about anything to prevent Romney from getting the nomination and he knows that only someone like Jeb Bush has a chance of stopping Romney.

    The fact is, with a 3 million dollar mortgage, it is unlikely the Huckabee intends to quit his job and run for President so he his looking for someone who he can back. Good Luck Huckster, its not going to work.

    That said, I could support Jeb Bush if he got the nomination. Besides Romney, Jeb Bush seems to be the best potential candidate out there. But remember, the Bushes and the Romneys are friends and with his brother being out of office only 2+ years, he is unlikely to run.

  11. OHIO JOE Says:

    If Mr. Demint and Dr. Coburn are extremists, then I am an extremist too. Guess what? We need something extreme to shoch our economy back into the boom days.

    As For Mr. J. Bush, while I am coommitted to another camp, if the cookie does not crumble my way, Mr. J. Bush would be one of the moreeasier candidates to support and he would unify the party.

  12. TEX Says:

    Craig,

    Huckabee was lucky in 2008, competing in Iowa
    with Romney,McCain,Giuliani,Thompson and Ron Paul.
    None of these guys could attract evangelicals.

    Sarah Palin makes a world of difference in Iowa.

    This is why he will not run,sparing himself huge
    embarrassment.

  13. TEX Says:

    By attacking Sarah Palin Huckabee cooked his
    own goose.
    Palin is 2nd choice for great number of his fans
    and he was 2nd choice among 24% of Palin supporters.

    With his stupid and vicious attack he’s done.
    Loose mouth Huckster.

  14. Ray Brun Says:

    If Jeb running keeps Huckabee out then I’m all for it!

  15. Adam Says:

    Huckabee is right. The tax rates are going to stay the same and on the whole the deal brokered by Obama and the GOP was pretty good.

    DeMint is an extremist. He’d rather have 30 True Believers in the senate and let the other 70 senators run roughshod just so he can stand on principle.

    I don’t like extending unemployment again either, but we live in the real world and not some theoretical fantasyland. Unemployment is 9.8 percent – the highest in a quarter century. Extending the benefits (really, just a form of welfare – but it is what it is) isn’t the “conservative” solution – but the alternative is not viable. It’s not that easy to find a job out there in this environment and we’re a week away from Christmas. If “standing on principle” makes some of these Republicans sleep better at night that’s fine. But cutting unemployment loses us the Rust Belt in the next election. I’d rather win and be able to shape policy under a new administration than feel sanctimonious for standing on principle.

    And Sarah Palin can get bent. It’s ok to support TARP – but she’s going to bitch about a measly unemployment extension? Again – I don’t like it either but it’s not an easy decision. But Mrs. Conservative Icon gets away with hypocrisy once again because of her legs. It sure isn’t her intellect.

    And as for Romney – he never misses an opportunity to once again show that he is full of shit. He likes mandates. He has no problem with an expansive nanny state government. He didn’t support the Bush Tax Cuts in 2003 – or was too much of a pussy to say so when he had to act moderate to a Massachusetts electorate. He had a staffer tell a BoGlobe reporter that he didn’t want to come out in favor of the Tax Cuts because he didn’t support them and never refuted the story. NOW he wants to run for president and the tax cuts are the end all and the be all. He is slippery. He’s like John Edwards and just as sleazy (except for the fact that probably would stay faithful to his wife). The American public knows a panderer when they see one though and he’s never going to be president.

    Huckabee is the only one out of these people that is making a lick of sense.

  16. Illinoisguy Says:

    If Huckabee truly isn’t running, why is he not smart enough to court Palin supporters? If he is a smart as people claim, he should be cognizant of things like this.

  17. Adam Says:

    And proclaiming Huckabee or anyone else “done” over this is awfully premature when a majority of Republicans support this legislation.

  18. Adam Says:

    If Huckabee truly isn’t running, why is he not smart enough to court Palin supporters?

    Because he doesn’t need to – because A) the vast majority of Palin supporters already support Huck as their second choice and B) once it’s clear that she isn’t viable, Huck is naturally going to absorb those supporters.

  19. OHIO JOE Says:

    “And Sarah Palin can get bent. It’s ok to support TARP – but she’s going to bitch about a measly unemployment extension? Again – I don’t like it either but it’s not an easy decision.” First of all, while it was wrong of Mrs. Palin to initially back TARP, she never promoted it out right and she has backed away from it. As for the measly unemployment extention, while I cannot speak for her, I do not think her biggest bugaboo is the Unemployment deal per se. She hates the whole thing in Total, not just one bad aspect of it.

    “Because he doesn’t need to – because A) the vast majority of Palin supporters already support Huck as their second choice and B) once it’s clear that she isn’t viable, Huck is naturally going to absorb those supporters.” First of all you assume Mr. Pawlenty is not running. Second, while Mr. Huckabee would be easier to support than Mr. Gingrich and Mr. Romney, my support for Mr. Huckabee in the general is not guarenteed. He bet the wrong horse on this one.

  20. Max Twain Says:

    And Adam once again embarrasses himself by firmly attaching his lips to Huckabee’s fat ass while torching 3 vastly more conservative individuals in Jim DeMint, Sarah Palin, and Mitt Romney. You get the sense from these Huckaloons that they really don’t like conservatism, but rather simply want to use the movement and the GOP as a tool to force their bigoted religious agenda on the country.

    We’ll see how long Huck is their #2 choice when she is ripping him day in and day out. If there is one hardcore group of supporters I wouldn’t want to piss off it’s the Palinites. If attacking her is Huck’s big plan, have at it hoss.

  21. Adam Says:

    attaching his lips to Huckabee’s fat ass…

    …force their bigoted religious agenda on the country

    Blah blah blah dinosaur blah blah blah gays.

  22. Jonathan Says:

    I have to side with Adam when it comes to the tax deal at least. It was a good deal; we got what we wanted and showed the American people we can be the governing party, not just the “hell no” party.

    DeMint is an extremist. He is simply unable to understand the notion of “compromise” or actually getting something done.

    As for Romney, I truly don’t understand his opposition to this deal. It’s pragmatic and it gets something done, both things I thought the former Massachusetts Governor was in favor of.

    Palin… well, no comment.

  23. Ray Brun Says:

    Max,
    I don’t think Adam is a religious bigot. He is fairly new to the Huckatrain. Most of the bigots out there found Huckabee a long time ago.

  24. TEX Says:

    With his slimy way of attack on Sarah Palin,
    using Libs-Alinsky method of “extremist” label,
    Huckster made every Palin supporter hate him and
    despise him.Every one of them!

    In addition,many of his fans love Sarahcuda.
    He’s in for rude surprise.He’s cooked and finished!

  25. Ray Brun Says:

    Jonathan,

    What do you really think we got out of this deal? To the American people, all we really did was make sure that “rich millionaires” got their tax cuts (the Average American isn’t smart enough to understand that $250K in this county isn’t rich and that many of them are small business owners) and that even though they elected us on fiscal sanity in November we have no problem adding another $850b to the deficit.

    In the end Obama won on the political side of things (while working class Americans did win on the actual tax cut extensions and lazy Americans won with the Unemployment extensions).

  26. Smittens for Mittens Says:

    21, Jon:

    Romney doesn’t support it because while he wants the tax rates continued, doing it for such a short period of time doesn’t fix one of the two major problems associated with the future of tax rates: uncertainty.

    The current plan will give the economy a consumer-spending sugar high, as have prior stimuli recently, going back to Bush, but it won’t provide for long-term structural growth in capital investment. Two years isn’t enough time to see a return on a great many long-term investments that our economy needs, so the increased revenue that normally comes from tax cuts, that spur innovation and private investment, won’t ever happen.

    The result? Lower taxes, sure, but to what end? Just a giant hole in the deficit, no long-term growth, and increased chances that Obama gets reelected with a phony improving economy.

    THAT’S why Mitt’s against it.

  27. Adam Says:

    I’m essentially an Easter Catholic. It’s just easier for Max to generalize.

  28. Adam Says:

    In the end Obama won on the political side of things

    I don’t see how. Republicans have been pushing to extend all of the tax cuts for years. They got what they wanted.

    Now – Obama and the Democrats once again are the big spenders. Republicans can attack them for that since this bill passed while Dems have basically full control of the government. Plus, Republicans aren’t going to be easily branded as not caring for people who lost their jobs.

    The economy won’t suffer an additional hit from a tax increase. The Dems are divided over being forced to admit that the Bush tax cuts create economic growth. We can blame the Democrats for big spending and we won’t piss off our energetic Tea Party supporters because we don’t have enough control to deny Democrats the unemployment extension even if we wanted to.

    It seems to me that we win.

  29. Adam Says:

    And just to clarify – I hopped aboard the Huckatrain because Huckabee has the best shot of A) energizing the base and B) appealing to the center. It’s mostly tactical because beating Obama is more important than any petty intraparty differences.

    My opinion is that whichever candidate the GOP chooses – 80 percent of the platform will overlap with other candidates. 80 percent of what Huckabee believes is 80 percent of what Romney believes is what 80 percent of what Palin believes. So my Huckabee support is (mostly) tactical – though Romney’s disingenuousness and Palin’s divisiveness and lack of intellectual curiosity are rather grating.

    Max only cares about dinosaurs and gays, so anytime anything about Huckabee is discussed he has a tendancy to “queen out”.

  30. Max Twain Says:

    Ray,

    To condone one’s bigoted statements or to support an openly bigoted candidate is just as bad as being a bigot. Huck’s blatant bigotry against gays, lesbians, and non-Christians is extensive and well documented. To support such a person is condone those beliefs, just as supporting David Duke would be condoning his white supremacist beliefs.

    And when he does things like “Blah blah blah dinosaur blah blah blah gays” he is flatly admitting that he is too ignorant to understand his own bigoted beliefs and his backwards views on science and how destructive they are to our party, society, and country. People like Adam just can’t seem to understand this country will not elect an anti-gay, anti-science Christianist pastor to the presidency. The fact that Huck is terrified to release the transcripts of his sermons during his 12-year ministry speaks volumes at how the REAL Huck would play nationally, and how even he knows it.

    So with such baggage, combined with his utter disgust for the hard work it takes to fundraise and organize, it’s not at all surprising to hear how Huck would gladly step out of the way of a real leader like Jeb Bush. It’s also not surprising that Jeb has supported and will likely support again the candidate most similar to him; Mitt Romney.

  31. Adam Says:

    And when he does things like “Blah blah blah dinosaur blah blah blah gays” he is flatly admitting that he is too ignorant to understand his own bigoted beliefs and his backwards views on science and how destructive they are to our party, society, and country

    First of all, indifference is hardly a staple of bigotry. You’re preoccupied with the gays – I simply just don’t care. By the way – more people agree with Huckabee on gay marriage than you.

    http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2010/08/americans-still-opposed-to-gay-marriage.html

    Fixing the economy and ending the Obama experiment with leftism are far more important than worrying about marrying off the gays.

    And as for the science slam? Dude – I AM a scientist. I have a Bachelor’s of Science in Meteorology.

    True appeal to and enthusiasm from, blue collar whites, is far more important to our electoral progress than Mitt’s millions. Mitt’s millions couldn’t even buy him the nomination – let alone the presidency.

  32. Max Twain Says:

    “A) energizing the base”

    Huckabee is despised by fiscal conservatives, defense hawks, talk radio, nearly every group that attends CPAC, libertarians, and the Tea Party. What base will he energize besides the ever-weakening Christian Coalition? Wouldn’t somebody who ‘energized’ the base and who had national TV and radio shows be able to ‘energize’ a contribution or two to his PAC? At least, more then Rick Santorum? I guess we’re working off of different definitions of ‘energize’.

    “B) appealing to the center.”

    The center? The center likes civil rights for gays and lesbians, they like the repeal of DADT, they like people who keep their religion to themselves and out of their kids’ public schools, they like science being taught in science class and not the Bible, they hate tax increases, and they don’t support amnesty or benefits for illegals. I’m sure the moderate center will get a kick out of Pastor Huck’s sermons, because the center tends to stick with the most radical religious candidates. Oh wait, not they don’t do that at all.

    Seems like Huck is shit out of luck based on your 2 big reasons for supporting him. Perhaps the real reason is that Huck’s hatred reflects your own, and that simply makes you more comfortable.

    Huck’s Army: A place for all of those in the center!
    (except blacks, Hispanics, gays, Mormons, Catholics, Jews, and Muslims)

  33. TEX Says:

    This tax cut will serve Obama,ONLY,and add almost
    trillion dollars debt to our children.
    Can’t you see it you squishy,”reach across the isle”
    moderates.

    Obama is already getting all the credits.MSM is gushing
    with praises.He’s “come back kid” a la Slick Willie,
    he already “reinvented” himself,thanks to the GOP
    establishment clowns.

  34. Adam Says:

    Huckabee is despised by fiscal conservatives, defense hawks, talk radio, nearly every group that attends CPAC, libertarians, and the Tea Party. What base will he energize besides the ever-weakening Christian Coalition?

    The one that somehow catapults him into the lead (or MoE with Palin) in every red state and purple state the GOP needs to win back the White House.

    You give Limbaugh and CPAC too much credit. They couldn’t derail McCain. As for the Tea Party – I don’t know how many times I have to tell you…they don’t trust Romney.

    I’m sure the moderate center will get a kick out of Pastor Huck’s sermons, because the center tends to stick with the most radical religious candidates. Oh wait, not they don’t do that at all.

    I define the “center” as the people who matter in deciding presidential elections. These are the people who voted for both Bush and Obama. Moderate conservatives from border states and the Heartland. Iowa, Ohio, North Carolina, Virginia, Indiana, Florida. Churchgoing working class types. Huckabee has a natural appeal to them. Romney and Obama do not – and Obama only won this groups because of the economic collapse and the wars.

    MOST. PEOPLE. CARE. FAR. LESS. ABOUT. GAY. ISSUES. THAN. YOU.

  35. Adam Says:

    Anyone else notice how Max always whines about bigotry and “homophobia” – but somehow manages to spew the most vile hatred against any religious person?

    Thin-skinned AND a victimization complex. What a lovely combination.

  36. Max Twain Says:

    “Fixing the economy and ending the Obama experiment with leftism”

    Two things that will never happen given Huck’s big government, tax raising record. Replacing an arrogant liberal with a bigoted liberal is not my idea of conservatism.

    “I have a Bachelor’s of Science in Meteorology”

    Dude, you’re not a scientist, you’re a weatherman. Have a big need for stem cell research in your field there Mr. Roker? Does evolution come up often during your long hours of getting tomorrows forecast completely ass backwards?

    “True appeal to and enthusiasm”

    Historically for the GOP, that enthusiasm has come from white men, the group that Huck tends to score the lowest among versus his potential rivals. His big numbers come from women, something that we all know will change once he has to answer questions on abortion. Tell me, how does the center feel about making 13 year-old girls give birth to babies that were conceived through rape? I know what crazy old Reverand Huck thinks, but take a guess at how those white women will vote after the real Huckaloon shows his true colors.

  37. Adam Says:

    Al Roker didn’t study science – his field is communication. Instead of spouting off like the fool that you are, it would serve you well to educate yourself on the difference between a meteorologist and a weather caster.

    His big numbers come from women, something that we all know will change once he has to answer questions on abortion.

    Bush, the pro-lifer, did fine with the female vote. Huckabee did too in Arkansas.

    And I have no idea how Mitt will do – since he seems to be on every side of the issue. But I do know that no one really trusts him.

  38. Adam Says:

    And another thing. Your anger – your absolute loathing of anyone that disagrees with your position is going to be the cause of your whining about gays being “second class citizens” for far longer than they need to be.

  39. Max Twain Says:

    “Iowa, Ohio, North Carolina, Virginia, Indiana, Florida.”

    Brandstad, Portman, Kasich, Burr, McDonnell, Daniels, Coats, Scott, Jeb. Just a small collection of center-right business & budget oriented people elected in your highlighted states who have far more in common with Romney and ran Romney-like campaigns then a pastor who raised taxes more then his Democratic predecessor. And as the icing on the cake, every single one of them are more likely to endorse Mitt then Mike. In fact, you’d be lucky to find someone not behind a pulpit who will put their organization to work for Mike Huckabee.

    Rather then follow the successful model of these business oriented candidates, Adam’s genius plan to win versus a billion-dollar Obama machine is to run a religious wacko who thinks rape victims should have babies, that the Bible should be taught in science class, and just for fun, really enjoys raising taxes. And as a bonus, he also happens to be the worst fundraiser in GOP history. Just brilliant.

  40. TEX Says:

    Max,

    Huckster will not run for several reasons.
    The main reason is that his political life
    or destruction depends solely on Iowa.

    Anything less than a win, he’s out.Period.
    It’s not 2008,when he ran against people
    who couldn’t attract any evangelicals.

    Sarah Palin is running,she will beat
    Huckster in Iowa like a drum,and he knows it.

  41. Adam Says:

    Just a small collection of center-right business & budget oriented people elected in your highlighted states who have far more in common with Romney and ran Romney-like campaigns

    And yet, somehow Romney polls well behind Huckabee in all of these states.

    Curious, that….

  42. Max Twain Says:

    “Al Roker didn’t study science”

    I was mocking you, as is often easy to do, not producing an A&E Biography on Al Roker: weather anchor.

    “Bush, the pro-lifer, did fine with the female vote.”

    Bush raised record-breaking funds, was the son of a president, had the entire establishment united behind him, and ran the single greatest, most disciplined campaign organization in GOP history. Which of those things can Huck duplicate?

    Matthew Sheppard used to whine, I guess that’s why someone like you tied him to a fence post and threw rocks at his head until he stopped his ‘whining’.

  43. Max Twain Says:

    “Curious, that….”

    Curious that someone with a national TV show polls better then someone who has been off the air for 2 years? I guess that means whoever can afford the most TV time when it’s not free will do pretty well. How are Huck’s funds looking lately?

  44. Adam Says:

    I guess that’s why someone like you tied him to a fence post and threw rocks at his head until he stopped his ‘whining’.

    Someone like me threw rocks at his head? Really?

    You’re queening out again.

    Keep fighting the good gay cause, asshole. It’s time for me to go to work.

  45. Max Twain Says:

    As Reagan would say, there you go again.

    For those wondering, “queening out” is how Huckafans get around saying “fag” on their Huck’s Army support group forums, where they chat about the virtues of God and how they hope Mormons will burn in Hell for all of eternity.

    Careful with all the cussing Adam, or you’ll be left behind during the Rapture.

  46. Heath Says:

    Not Gonna Happen. Rubio/Bush can choose who wants to run in 2020 but it won’t be 2012.

  47. Vote for Truth Says:

    Tex,

    I listened to that video, and Mike Huckabee said “no” he wasn’t calling Palin an extremist.

    Mike Huckabee, not Sarah Palin, has won all three IA polls this year (Sarah didn’t even come close). Too bad, Tex, you think Huckabee won’t run so Sarah can win….sorry, Huckabee is running and will beat her in IA easily.

    Have you been listening to the “public”? They want somebody who will work with the other party and not just be partisan. Mike Huckabee knows what is really important to the American public,like getting the tax hike removed. President Obama has veto power even in January, 2011. He would have vetoed any great bill just for the Republicans. He took enough of a hit from Democrats for just wanting to compromise!

    Max,

    You are a flat out LIAR! There NEVER has been any “fag” comments or “hope the Mormons burn in hell comments on Huck’s Army. Now that I know that you flat out lie about Huckabee, I won’t pay attention to anything you say about him!

  48. letmeeatmywaffle Says:

    Jeb has a horrible last name, but Dave is right, we need a gamechanging nominee. None of the top four are any good. Pawlenty and Barbour would not be great campaigners. If no one steps up, I could see Thune possibly breaking out of the pack. He did beat Daschle, helped Noem and he looks good, which counts for a lot more than you think.

  49. Craig Says:

    VFT, I have a policy of reading one out of every five of Max’s comments just to learn more about gays and dinosaurs. ;)

    Just read all of Adam’s comments who does a FANTASTIC job of keeping Max in his primate place.

  50. Craig Says:

    I hate to disagree ever so slightly with Dave Gaultier because I love his columns and writing style.. but I think both Huck and Mitt are hanging in there just fine (for now) with Obama within the margin of error. And I believe Huck is the one that unites voters of all stripes throughout the Midwest and South. :)

    “This is an astute observation by Gov. Huckabee, as all of the “obvious” candidates to whom he refers — candidates like Mitt Romney, Sarah Palin, Newt Gingrich, and the former governor himself, are losing to President Obama in most polls of likely general election voters… …one who can contrast the competing visions of Obama and the Republicans in a way that unites both GOP base voters and swing voters.”

    by Dave Gaultier @ 7:40 pm.

    ===
    LATEST POLL TRACKING ..as of Monday 12/20/10

    Huckabee 45.4%
    Obama 45.4%

    Obama 44.8%
    Romney 44.5%

    Obama 49.0%
    Gingrich 44.8%

    Obama 51.5%
    Palin 39.0%

    http://polltracker.talkingpointsmemo.com/contests/us-pres-12/Huckabee-Obama

    POLLSTER.COM FAVORABILITY ..as of Monday 12/20/10

    Huckabee … 39.1% / 28.3% .. +10.8%
    Obama ……. 49.7% / 45.2% … +4.5%
    Romney….. 34.0% / 31.0% … +3.0%
    Palin ……… 37.4% / 52.3% .. -14.9%

    http://www.pollster.com/polls/us/fav-huckabee.php

  51. TEX Says:

    Vote for Truth

    “Mike Huckabee, not Sarah Palin, has won all three IA polls this year (Sarah didn’t even come close). Too bad, Tex, you think Huckabee won’t run so Sarah can win….sorry, Huckabee is running and will beat her in IA easily.”
    ======================================================================================

    I know of only one Iowa poll,on May 31 of
    this year,according to “Huck’s Army Forum”.

    Huck…27
    Palin….17
    Newt…….16
    Romney…….15

    And that was in May,long time ago,when Sarah’s
    numbers were very low.

    Go to your Huck’s Army polls(I use it every time
    I need poll #,compliments of Craig),and check
    Sarahcuda’s PPP poll numbers in November and
    December.

    27 Polls :

    PALIN……11 times the winner, 9 times # 2

    Huck……. 8 times the winner, 11 times # 2
    Romney……8 times the winner 4 times # 2
    Newt……..1 time the winner 6 times # 2

    How do you like them apples?!

    What do you think next poll numbers in Iowa will be?
    Have the guts to predict?

    I do:

    Huck…..24
    Palin……21

    By spring she will be in the lead,and she’ll never
    look back.

  52. Max Twain Says:

    Craig and Adam have never, not on a single point, won an argument with me, which is why they tend to leave rather then debate. That is really for the best because a radical pastor will not be the GOP nominee and people like them who wish the Rapture Man would be president are better off at other fantasy sites like Huck’s Army.

    Huck basically ended any hope of the nomination when he attacked Palin with Kos-like language, identifying him once again with the only liberal poll that shows him leading. Gallup, Rasmussen, Marist, and the other non-Kow polls have Romney firmly in the best position. Huck’s best hope was for a Palin endorsement before Iowa and South Carolina, a hope that was ended with Huck’s assault on the Alaska governor. The language he chose was strange as well, he was basically one Trigg Palin attack away from being Andrew Sullivan. She, like Nikki Haley, will now endorse against Huckabee and work for his opposition if not for Sarah herself.

    Cue Craig posting Daily Kos polls in 5…4…3…2…

  53. Max Twain Says:

    Tex,

    Logic, facts, these things don’t compute for Craig, Adam and their kind. They are driven by a radical bigoted anti-Mormon pastor, and have no use for reality checks.

    These guys think that Nikki Haley, who destroyed the GOP primary field, will have no impact against Huck, who backed 4th place loser Gary Bauer. Logic just doesn’t get through their skulls.

  54. Craig Says:

    Go to your Huck’s Army polls(I use it every time
    I need poll #,compliments of Craig),and check
    Sarahcuda’s PPP poll numbers in November and
    December.

    27 Polls :

    PALIN……11 times the winner, 9 times # 2

    Huck……. 8 times the winner, 11 times # 2
    Romney……8 times the winner 4 times # 2
    Newt……..1 time the winner 6 times # 2

    How do you like them apples?!

    What do you think next poll numbers in Iowa will be?
    Have the guts to predict?

    I do:

    Huck…..24
    Palin……21

    ===

    Glad I could help you out, TEX :)

    TWO NEW POLLS LAST WEEK: (New NC & FL due THIS week)

    12/16/10 PPP (D) 2012 Ohio GOP Primary

    Sarahcuda Palin 21%
    Mike Huckabee 19%
    Newt Gingrich 18%
    Mitt Romney 15%

    12/16/10 PPP (D) 2012 Wisconsin GOP Primary

    Sarahcuda Palin 21%
    Mike Huckabee 18%
    Mitt Romney 17%

    To update and sum up these recent end of the year polls:

    North Carolina … Huckabee 25 Palin 21 Gingrich 17 Romney 10
    West Virginia … Palin 25 *Huckabee 22 Romney 15
    Pennsylvania .. Huckabee 23 Palin 16 Romney 16
    Wisconsin …. Palin 21 *Huckabee 18 Romney 17
    Minnesota …. Pawlenty 19 Palin 18 Huckabee 14 Romney 11
    Kentucky …. Huckabee 26 Palin 19 Gingrich 17 Romney 13
    Montana …. Palin 23 *Huckabee 22 Gingrich 16 Romney 12
    Missouri … Huckabee 27 Palin 25 Gingrich 15 Romney 14
    Virginia … Huckabee 21 Gingrich 20 Palin 17 Romney 15
    Alaska … Huckabee 17 Romney 16
    Illinois … Huckabee 18 Gingrich 17 Palin 14 Romney 12
    Texas .. Palin 22 *Huckabee 20 Romney 15
    Ohio .. Palin 21 *Huckabee 19 Gingrich 18 Romney 15

    ===

    *Huck within MOE of 1st place.

    Anyone see any other trends?

    Where’s Max? Let’s hear some more theories from the high school kid about gay cavemen and straight dinosaurs! ;)

  55. Craig Says:

    What do you think next poll numbers in Iowa will be?
    Have the guts to predict?

    I do:

    Huck…..24
    Palin……21

    ===

    TEX, you know those are COMPLETELY WRONG!

    The actual correct answer is: …..drum roll please……

    Huck }27
    Palin }19
    .
    .
    .
    .
    .
    .
    Romney } Who cares? ..probably 15?

  56. TEX Says:

    TEX, you know those are COMPLETELY WRONG!

    The actual correct answer is: …..drum roll please……

    Huck }27
    Palin }19
    ============================================================

    Even if your prediction is correct,it’s still
    very good for Palin,8 points at this time is fine.

    But,what you will say if my prediction is good,or
    4-5 points difference.

    How are you going to spin the eminent force of
    Sarah Barracuda’s night stick coming?

  57. jerseyrepublican Says:

    OMG…you guys are f*&%ing annoying…every last one of you. Craig…we get it you like Huck, Tex…you like Palin, Max you’re a Republican that doesn’t like the base…good luck with that. As a Giuliani supporter, I was the same way in ’08, I realized it was a lost cause. You can’t join a club and then get mad when the club isn’t the way you want it to be…start your own club or go join a different club.

  58. FiscalConservative Says:

    Is Max a teenager which you are arguing with?

  59. Max Twain Says:

    Jersey,

    The Christian Coalition is a fading power, slowly being replaced by the fiscal conservative Tea Party. The Falwells of the world no longer hold the influence they once did. So no, I’m aligned with the new base, the REAL base of the conservative movement. People like Craig are just religious wackos so desperate to boost Huckabee that they quote Daily Kos polls.

    Craig,

    Nice to see you popping in with your Kos polls on cue. I guess you’re having trouble finding another pollster that has Huck doing as well.

    I wonder, though, when will you start posting his fundraising totals, to show off his big bad campaign structure? I mean if he is the Kos Poll frontrunner, then he should easily be bringing in the most cash. LOL

  60. jerseyrepublican Says:

    Max the problem is, which is a double edged sword, is that the Republicans need the religious right to regain the Senate and the White House. I am of the opinion that a lot of the religious base are strong social conservatives but not necessarily strong fiscal conservatives. If the Democrats were smart enough to push a few “religious” candidates while also pushing through their nanny state agenda then I think you would find “a lot” of the religious base switching to the Dem side of the aisle. Huckabee understands this…in fact I’m not sure Huckabee would be a Republican if the Dems co-opted a, somewhat, religious viewpoint.

    You claim that Tea Party is becoming the bas eof the party…which I hope…but it soesn’t seem that you are too fond of that base either. Granted, I am appreciative that you rank Palin so high in your monthly rankings but it doesn’t seem that you are too fond of her and she is the Tea Party darling whom some have referred to as the leader of the movement.

    I believe you were a Giuliani supporter in ’08…am I correct? If so, I’m not sure how you could support Romney this time around? Of course, I do understand how you couldn’t support Huckabee.

  61. Max Twain Says:

    I haven’t decided who to support yet, but as my rankings indicate, I feel Romney is currently the frontrunner, that Huck is overrated, and that Palin is the co-frontrunner.

    I don’t like Palin as much as I dislike the people who attack her. My favorite thing about Palin is her friendship with Giulaini and the possibility of getting Rudy on the ticket with her.

    As of right now, I’d lean towards John Thune as the best bet to unite all factions and present an alternative to Obama that will match him in intangibles step for step.

  62. jerseyrepublican Says:

    Is it unheard of to have a Presidential nominee name their VP nominee during the primaries? That would be a bold move for Palin that could gets lots of indies and moderates on board. Hell, I might even volunteer for that ticket. Of course, if that happens, it almost guarantees that Hillary runs with Obama. It would definitely be the election of the century.

  63. jerseyrepublican Says:

    I meant Presidential candidate and VP choice…not nominee.

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